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Kaviyarasu Kannadasan Vs Kaviyarasu Vairamuthu

Topic started by mannAru (@ ns.arraycomm.com) on Fri Jan 16 22:33:09 EST 1998.
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• From: Selvi (@ 203.106.215.32) on: Mon Aug 13 03:28:58 EDT 2001
  
  Dear Friends,
  ingey nirai kuraigalai ezhuthiya anaivarum kandippaga Tamil paditthavargal. So we can't simply tell that KD is better VM or VM is better than KD.
  Iruvarume salaithavargal alla enbathai naam anaivarum ingu padithu purinthu kondullom.
  KD antha kalathirketpa eluthiyullar.
  VM nigal kaalm ethir kaalam patri eluthugiraar.
  Tayavu seithu Tamil Arinjargala avviruvaiyum avasollal vasaipaada vendam.Avargaludaiya tiramaiyil kaalvaasikuda nammal elutha mudiyathu.
  Tamilanukku erppadum avasol Tamilukkume.
  I LOVE TAMIL & EVERY TAMILANS !
  
  ing
  
  
• From: Selvi (@ 203.106.215.32) on: Mon Aug 13 03:29:07 EDT 2001
  
  Dear Friends,
  ingey nirai kuraigalai ezhuthiya anaivarum kandippaga Tamil paditthavargal. So we can't simply tell that KD is better VM or VM is better than KD.
  Iruvarume salaithavargal alla enbathai naam anaivarum ingu padithu purinthu kondullom.
  KD antha kalathirketpa eluthiyullar.
  VM nigal kaalm ethir kaalam patri eluthugiraar.
  Tayavu seithu Tamil Arinjargala avviruvaiyum avasollal vasaipaada vendam.Avargaludaiya tiramaiyil kaalvaasikuda nammal elutha mudiyathu.
  Tamilanukku erppadum avasol Tamilukkume.
  I LOVE TAMIL & EVERY TAMILANS !
  
  ing
  
  
• From: eden (@ dialpool-210-214-5-206.maa.sify.net) on: Mon Aug 13 08:37:58 EDT 2001
  
  IMHO, KD did much to enrich Thamizh while not having much of destructive influence...VM too enriched Thamizh with some great numbers but contributed equally to the negative side (like the 50kg stuff). Negative marks koduthAl, VM outtu...
  
  
• From: r.viswanath (@ 202.9.148.222) on: Thu Aug 16 12:04:23 EDT 2001
  
  one thing that everybody should not forget. old is always gold. my favourite music director is the great viswanathan-ramamurthy. in an interview t.rajendar has told that (a few years back) today ilayaraja is best. but to me always and evergreen is v-r. the same old rationale will follow in the above subject matter also. according to me - today vairamuthu may (will) be the best. but always, as far as tamil cinema is concerned, kannadasan is the best forever. this is because the scope that he had covered is very wide and the lines in many of his songs are very thoughtful. this is my view. hope many of the tamil lovers will agree with me. comments may be sent to my mail address. regards.
  
  
• From: atlantickadalilulaver (@ brf-cache10.jaring.my) on: Sun Aug 19 10:20:41 EDT 2001
  
  KD never wrote for cash!
  
  
• From: Haran (@ 194.170.1.66) on: Sun Aug 26 08:13:01 EDT 2001
  
  nanbarkalukku vanakkam,
  
  vairamuththu sila varikalil kavidhaiyaik koduththullaar. santheegam illai. kannadasanoodu oppiduvadhee, avarukku naam cheyyum migapperiya mariyaadhai enbadhee en ennam.
  
  kaaranam v.m. paadalgalil vaarthai vilaiyaattaiyum, sorsilambathaiyumee adhigamaagak kaanamudiginradhu. aanaal k.d. padalgalilo paamaranin vaarthaigalil pandithanin ulladakkam vegu saadhaaranam. elimaiyana vadivamum aazamaana porulumee kavidhaiyin ilakkanam enru engoo padiththaaga oru ninaivu.
  
  sollil varuvadhu pagudhiyaagavum, ullee maraindhu kidappadhu migudhiyaagavum amaivadhee kavidhai. indha alavukoolpadip paarthaal k.d. matra ellaa kavizargalai vidayum nerungamudiyaadha uyaraththil iruppadhu kankuudu. udhaaranaththirku oru padalin sila varigalai mattum enakku ettiya alavil kuura vizaiginreen.
  
  pirindhu senra thalaivanukku thanadhu nilaiyinai vilakka thalaivi kadidham ezudhuvadhaaga varugiradhu indhap paadal...
  "anbulla aththaan vanakkam
  ungal aayulaik kondaal mayakkam"
  (idhil eedhaavadhu aadambara vaarththaigal ullanavaa? vaarththai vilaiyaattu? illaiyee. sari porulaip patri paarppoom)
  mudhal vari kaadhalanukkuk kuurum mugaman.
  irandaavadhu variyil thannaip patri ezudhaveendiya idaththil 'ungal kaadhali endru ezuthaamal 'ungal aayulaik kondal' endru ezuthukiraal. idhanaal aval solla virumbuvadhu 'enakku endru endha adaiyaalamum illai; un aayul edhuvoo adhudhaan naan. adhan pin 'naan' illai. ondru enakku maranam alladhu naan nadaipinam. ippadippatta nilaiyil vaazndhu kondirukkum thanakku oru mayakkam(kuzappam) enru thanadhu madalaith thodangukinraal.
  
  "thennavar kaiyirukkum
  thiruvaalaip poolirukkum
  kannirundhum illai urakkam"
  'indhiyaavai eththanaiyoo mannargal aandaargal. aanal endha vada naattu mannanaalum vella mudiyaadha oru nilappagudhi ingee irundhadhu endraal adhu chera, soza, paandiyargalin indha thennaaduthan. kaaranam avarkalin kaiyilee irundha oli viisum thiruvaal. adharku inaiyaanadhu unadhu kangal endru andru sonniirgal. ivvalavu oli viisum kangal irundhum enna payan. saadhaarana kangalaip petrulla matrap penngalukkuk kidaikkum sugamaana urakkaththai indha thiruvaal poonra kangal kodukkavillaiyee'
  
  "maalaip pozudhu vandhu
  pagai poolak kollum
  varuvaar varuvaar endra
  seedhiyum sollum
  aalilai poondra udal
  aasaiyil thullum
  andhiyilee iyarkai
  ennaiyum vellum"
  (edhugai, moonaigalin vilaiyaattaip paarthiirgalaa?)
  
  'pagalai eppadiyoo samaaliththu vidukireen. aanaal indha maalai ennai oru pagaivanaik kolluvadhaip poola irakkamindrik kolgindradhu. aam. adhudhaan ungalai naan pirindhirukkireen enbadhaiyum, varum iravai naan thanimaiyil kazikkaveendiya kodumaiyaiyum enakku ninaivuuti ennaik kollaamal kolgindradhu.(maalaip pozudhu vandhu pagaipoolak kollum)
  
  iravum pagalum; inbamum thunbamum- iyarkaiyil ellaam irattaigal allavaa! thunbaththaik koduththa maalai oru inbaththaiyum kodukkindradhu. adhudhaan thendral. adhu udalukku mattum sugam tharavillai; manathirkum tharukirathu oru seethiyaaga(ref:thendral varum;seedhi varum) nii vandhu kondirukkindraay endra iniya seythiyai andhath thendralee enakkuk kodukkinradhu(varuvaar varuvaar endra seethiyum sollum).
  
  pirivinaal manam soorndhu, unavinmaiyinaal udal soorndhu aalilaiyaip poondra menmaiyinai adaindhu vitta enadhu udal, nii varap poogiraay, ennaith thazuvap poogiraay endra aasaiyil thullik kudhikkum(aalilai poondra udal aasaiyil thullum).
  
  pirivin eekkaththaalum, paruvaththin unarchigalalum nam santhippin thodar nigazchigalai en manam karpanai seydhu kondee poogum; thamizp pennin iyarkaiyaagiya naanamo ennai thaduththukkondee varum. maalai muzudhum nadakkum indhap pooraatam andhi veelaiyil oru mudivirku varum naanam velvadhaga(andhiyilee iyarkai ennaiyum vellum)
  
  idhu poondra ooraayiram paadalgalaiyum, latcham varigalaiyum, koodi vilakkangalaiyum kuurik kondee poogalaam.
  
  thamizukku oru kaviyarasaree.
  
  mudindhaal miindum santhippoom,
  
  velinaattil innum thamizanaagavee vaazum
  oru kavidhai rasigan,
  
  haran
  
  
• From: G MAURUTHI (@ 203.197.156.66) on: Sun Aug 26 11:05:32 EDT 2001
  
  Pls guys dont write in TINGLISH - IT IS HARD TO READ
  
  I AM SURE NO ONE READS ALL THE TEXT WRITTEN ABOVE.
  
  ONE OR TWO LINES ARE OK... BUT ?
  
  
• From: Thirunavukkarasu (@ 202.9.161.39) on: Mon Aug 27 02:43:29 EDT 2001
  
  hello anaivarukkum vannakkam.
  vairamuthu is great. Avarudaiya paadalgal anaithum
  romba arumaiyaga ullathu. Avarai vaalthuvom.
  Aanal kannadasanin paadagal entrum ketka inithu.
  Eruvarum Kavi arasargalthan.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Aug 27 14:04:16 EDT 2001
  
  Well..I read Haran's writing..Fantastic tamil. Patience brings better/deeper joy :)..Haran is this a movie song or a poem he had written. IMHO, KD beats VM in 'profoundness' (depth). THe short attention span current generation may not be able to appreciate KD. What a pity !!!
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Aug 27 14:09:50 EDT 2001
  
  "KD never wrote for cash"
  
  If an artist does something that he likes it is art. If you do what others like it is business.
  
  
• From: Haran (@ 194.170.168.244) on: Mon Aug 27 17:08:29 EDT 2001
  
  Dear kiru,
  
  Thank you for your 'Patience'.
  
  This 'anbulla aththaan' is a film song written by Kannadaasan. Sung by Mrs.P.Susila. If I am not wrong it is in the film "kairaasi".(Actors=P.Saroja Devi/Gemini Ganesan)
  
  A good poetry is like an iceberg; showing s small portion outside and hiding a lot underneath. So we have to dive and find the original dimension.
  
  Also we can say that A poetry should be like 'Manar Keeni'(sand well!) It should keep on producing the meaning according to the man's depth of knowledge and his try.
  (thottanaiththu uurum manar keeni maandharku
  katranaiththu uurum arivu- valluvanin indha ilakkanam arivukku mattumalla kavidhaikkum thaan.)
  
  Writing a film song (with meaning) is the hardest thing in the poetic field. The situation of the song is decided by the Director. The basic concept is decided by the Screen Play. Even the length of the line and the notes of words are decided by the the Music Director. Upart from all these hurdles, the Image of the Hero gives the writer some considerable restrictions. With all these Iron curtains around him, the film song writer has to breath the language and produce some poems. But when I get into the lines of Kannadaasan, really he is surprising me that nothing can block a REAL POET like him.
  
  Kannadaasan is the Kaviyarasu (in my humble opinion he is alone).
  
  
  
• From: shaNmugam (@ 63.101.96.1) on: Mon Aug 27 20:44:35 EDT 2001
  
  showing s small portion outside and hiding a lot underneath
  
  The other day, I was listening to 'enna pArvai undhan pArvai idai melindhAL indha pAvai'. My father, a HCKDF, started speaking about kaNNadAsan's genius and referred to this song. I wondered what was so great about this song and he gave me the reason - pArvayil idai melindhAl pAvaithAnE.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 63.198.206.163) on: Tue Aug 28 14:21:35 EDT 2001
  
  shaNmugam,
  That's a fabulous discovery. I hadn't noticed it in all these years of listening to that song.Wow.
  
  
• From: polappu (@ 216.253.102.3) on: Tue Aug 28 16:06:58 EDT 2001
  
  shankamugam,
  thanks, I never realized that in all these years... amazing! please keep posting anything similar...
  
  
  
• From: sk (@ 137.132.3.8) on: Tue Aug 28 16:20:14 EDT 2001
  
  Shanmugam and others:
  
  Regarding pArvayil idai melindhAl pAvaithAnE..
  
  I heard that Kannadhasan did not have this idea
  in mind when he wrote the lyrics. Later, one of
  his fans pointed out the interesting fact in one
  discussion meeting on Kannadhasan's works held
  at Annamalai University.
  
  
• From: sk (@ 137.132.3.8) on: Tue Aug 28 16:47:39 EDT 2001
  
  Of course, there is no doubt that Kannadhasan
  did write lyrics with interesting punch!
  A simple example: I was
  listening to this song from 'thEn nilavu' today..
  
  pAttup pAdavA
  
  The situation is a young man singing a 'galAttA song'
  trying to woo an uninterested girl to love him.
  pAttup pAdavA means Shall I sing a song.
  But pAttup pAda vA means Come to sing a
  (duet) song with me. The next 3 pallavi lines
  are also structured in the same way. The MD and
  singer, AM Raja, must have appreciated this
  aspect very well because, he made sure that the
  proper pauses were given before vA when the song was sung.
  
  

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