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Rahman Bashers

Topic started by Arun (@ internet1.ford.com) on Wed Jun 25 12:54:08 EDT 1997.
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• From: balaji (@ g203.grainger.uiuc.edu) on: Thu Aug 27 17:43:56 EDT 1998
  
  sreeni : kalki is also the name for a magazine
  in a language called tamil. it is a weekly and
  thrives on late kalki's works. IR gave an interview to this magazine which unfortunately published it. KB's kalki is a totally different one altogether, with DEVA giving the music of his life(or so he claimed). kalki is also the name of a saint(??!!) who has managed to gain quite a reputation for himself. his ashram is in madras.
  ofcourse, it will not be surprising if IR's full meal comes in a deva film(remember SIGARAM, in which SPB's music is stolen by nizhalgal ravi).
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ csa.csah.com) on: Fri Aug 28 06:53:04 EDT 1998
  
  Hi Everyone! I just find that all these ARR bashing and people defending IR, all very amusing. Why is it that our community refuses to allow new talents reign this new age that we are moving into? In my opinion, this seems to be inherent in our people.
  
  For example, we all know that Kannadasan was a great poet of his times...he is still regarded as one of the gems of the Tamil film industry. But we also know that Vairamuthu is a great talent of OUR times. In fact he can easily pass of as the best right now. Still, when people want to give him the "Kavi-arasu" title, there was such staunch protest from many quarters as they believe that there can only be one, ie Kannadasan.
  
  People just cannot accept the fact that sometimes the times that we live in requires a natural replacement. Kannadasan was a great poet of his era. And now its Vairamuthu's era. Likewise, IR was a genius of his times. Though, ARR has yet to completely overshadow IR, he is not far from it. ARR has already made a name for himself and captured the hearts of many, both young and old. So its about time people appreciate new talents, not with blind faith but with serious recognition.
  
  And on a lighter note, if anyone even comes close to defending Deva on his so-called music talents, then all I can say to these people is that u have found yrself a great Xerox-machine!! :-)
  
  
• From: Sreeni (@ unknown-196-133.beasys.com) on: Fri Aug 28 10:33:16 EDT 1998
  
  Balaji-
  Sorry I mistook your reference to "kalki".
  While on Deva there is an interview with him in the Hindu's entertainment section today which seems to take a positive look at the man.
  
  
• From: balaji (@ flora.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Fri Aug 28 13:50:54 EDT 1998
  
  Saravanan: no one denies that ARR belongs to a
  different age , but is age the real criterion?
  why are modern classical works still compared
  to bach and beethoven? comparison is something
  that we cannot avoid, just bcos they belong
  to a different age. about kannadasan and
  vairamuthu, who wrote "gypsy, mixie, pepsi" etc?
  is it really wrong to compare kannadasan and
  vairamuthu? i don't think so. if rahman does
  quality work, everyone is going to appreciate it.
  on a lighter note, what is the favourite raaga
  of deva? kaapi!!! what field would deva be working
  in if he were a technologist? reverse engineering!!
  
  
• From: Sreeni (@ unknown-196-133.beasys.com) on: Fri Aug 28 14:10:34 EDT 1998
  
  balaji-
  I beg to differ,modern classical works are not,to the best of my knowledge compared to Bach/Beethoven.I mean somebody like Philip Glass is never being compared to the great classical masters because composers like Glass defiantly set themselves in opposition to the classical orthodoxy and compose works which clearly originate from different theoretical frameworks and incorporate influences which were not available to past masters(like the influence of Indian classical music for example).There is no way a minimalist work is going to be compared on the same terms with a Baroque work,not if the critic is even half-way serious.
  
  As for Kannadasan vs Vairamuthu comparisons are less odious since they're separated by only a couple of decades but even here we can we totally divorce their work from their cultural context?
  
  
• From: K.S.Aravindan (@ ip96.isdn1-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net) on: Fri Aug 28 16:26:44 EDT 1998
  
  A.R.Rahman has clearly stolen a march over IR.Even Kamal admits that his style is refreshingly different.
  
  He has brought a new dimension to Back Ground music.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ socks6d.raleigh.ibm.com) on: Fri Aug 28 17:51:48 EDT 1998
  
  Aravindan:
  "He has brought a new dimension to Back Ground music"
  Congratulations on being the first person (and probably the last person) in the known Universe to appreciate ARR's BGM ! ;-))
  
  
• From: MSK (@ marimuth-nt.qualcomm.com) on: Fri Aug 28 18:52:26 EDT 1998
  
  K.S.Aravindhan.,
  
  What is that "Even" Kamal?? .Is Kamal a musical genius.??
  
  
  
  
• From: Anand (@ peso.ntu.edu.sg) on: Sat Aug 29 01:06:34 EDT 1998
  
  Guys,
  Kamal is indeed a great ,versatile all rounder.He knows Bharathanatyam,and has also learned Carnatic music from BalamuraliKrishna...Look at all his skills,....be it acting,dancing,singing,he has them all....Truly a genius,,,....It's difficult to find people to match him in all this/...
  
  
• From: sundaresan (@ sv.cache.nlanr.net) on: Sat Aug 29 07:02:18 EDT 1998
  
  before scoring music in even 100 movies ARR's music is highly repetitive. he lacks the range of IR or Viswanathan ramamurthy.
  Not many of the songs tuned by him will stand the test of time.
  
  
• From: junior (@ 194.170.168.94) on: Sat Aug 29 09:14:48 EDT 1998
  
  sundaresan :
  did u say repititive? example please people just come up with baseless statements! Repititive was a word used by hindi md because the hated him so much.
  
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ cache-1.golden.net) on: Sat Aug 29 13:33:46 EDT 1998
  
  Balaji: Balaji, comparisons are very much welcome. But my point is that our people have to recognise new, promising talents with due recognition and without biasness. For example, if one loved IR's music, especially during IR's peak moments he should not feel too staunch about it. Rather, he/she should aknowledge that there is a new star rising ie ARR, and be open about it.
  
  But when it comes to comparison, both IR and ARR are great talents and make us want to listen to thier music again and again. And yet, in my opinion, they are in a league of thier own.
  
  As for Deva, he is trying very hard to re-invent the league itself!!! :-)
  
  
• From: raja m (@ spider-wg072.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Aug 29 20:58:00 EDT 1998
  
  I like the title of this thread.
  
  
• From: jay (@ 208.222.8.11) on: Sun Aug 30 07:25:36 EDT 1998
  
  IR is an evergreen by nature. he cannot be compared with ARR. IR is a legend in south indian music. he changed the style in telugu, kannada, and malayalam of course in tamil. still i remember roja ondru mutham ketkum neram... i fly in sky during the violin bits. Raja is simply superb!!!
  
  
• From: Madhan,Goa (@ 202.41.117.11) on: Sun Aug 30 10:12:17 EDT 1998
  
  
  Dear Mr.K.S.Arvindan,
  
  "Even Kamal is appreciative ...... of ARR" -
  
  I am sorry, we cannot accept if Kamal is quoted out of context. I distinctly remember when Kamal was asked the question about ARR's music in"INDIAN", for which Kamal replied thus :
  
  " ARR knows his onions well , but on any day I am a great admirer of Ilayaraja. IR is always a great asset to Indian film music"
  
  So, please don't spread rumors about Kamal's statements on ARR - for your kind info. Kamal had to go back to IR for his "Marudhanayagam" -
  he could have as well gone to ARR - even for CHACHI 420, remake of AVVAI SHANMUGI, he went for Vishal Bharadwaj, and did not bank on ARR's music after "HINDUSTANI"
  
  
  Don't spread bad impressions of KAMAL - IR relationship here
  
  
• From: SR Kaushik (@ elroy.cs.wisc.edu) on: Sun Aug 30 14:40:25 EDT 1998
  
  ARR's repeats:
  1. Guitar in "Chandralekha" song of Thiruda THiruda is same as santoor or something (I'm not sure which instrument it is) of "Usalampatti" of "Gentleman".
  
  2. "Koko re koko re kokoko" humming in "Karuthamma" and "Hilkore" of "Minsara Kanavu" end with the same notes.
  
  3. "Ottagatha kattiko" of "Gentleman" and "Halla gulla" of Bombay are essentially the same tune( atleast atarting tunes).
  
  4. The second line of "en kaadhale" of "Duet" is a flick from "Thee thee" of "Thiruda Thiruda".
  
  5. The first line of the charanams of "Thanga thamarai" of "Minsara kanavu" and "Hai ra hai ra hai raba" of "Jeans" are very similar.
  
  In spite of all this, IMO, ARR is (or atleast was) very talented. Even IR had many repeats, which were unconscious, but they were over a long period of time, while ARR's are over a very short span and also, given that he takes a month per film, he should have fewer repeats.
  
  
• From: SR Kaushik (@ elroy.cs.wisc.edu) on: Sun Aug 30 15:11:43 EDT 1998
  
  Another repeat by ARR(IMO excusable, but still a repeat):
  The flute BGM piece in Roja when Roja's sister tells Arvind Swamy that she is in love with someone else, is the charanam of "Telephone manipol"
  
  
• From: junior (@ 194.170.2.7) on: Sun Aug 30 16:00:13 EDT 1998
  
  These are a repeat in one sense and these are things critics look for when general people say repeat it means Copy exact copy if his or her own songs! I mean the whole Song! If u take these seriously then when 2 songs have same raga is this a repeat?
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-117.il.us.ibm.net) on: Sun Aug 30 16:50:02 EDT 1998
  
  Hi Guys,
  
  What is the deal on ARr?
  On what basis most of you here are rejecting him.Raja is great agreed!, but where is he now.
  We have to send a search party or Raja fans here : go search and bring Raja, ask him to compose - then chase ARR out of TFM...Instead of cursing or singing the same pazaya pallavi on IR worship.
  
  (BTW : one search party has already been sent to find Symphony status, they are reported to be missing.)
  
  If anyone wants to talk music I am ready:
  ARR music is repeating. All MDS have a style, Even many Raja's flute piece and string counter points are repeated. So just calling ARR a repeater! is not right.
  
  From now on: I will be posting for any talks against ARR, Do not degrade other musicians using Raja's name and music. He has retired (I know no one will agree to this), thats it.
  I looking at the future of TFM, instead of Cribbing on Raja.
  
  Stop this ARR Bashing - Arr is a much better musician than the copy cats like DEva, sirpi and all the hindi music directors out there, who's so called composing is mere photocopies of other persons scores.
  
  Srikanth
  
  
• From: balaji (@ flora.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Mon Aug 31 00:49:47 EDT 1998
  
  SR Kaushik: HI, good to see u here.
  
  as kaushik tabulates, ARR has given repeats. but
  it will take time to see whether he can derive
  different base of approach. this can be seen in
  MSV's case, if u compare his earlier and later
  songs(esp. for KB). probably ARR might find that
  creativity in non-TFM music.
  
  

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