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Illayaraja or Rahman ?

Topic started by Pras (@ 193.56.241.19) on Thu Dec 7 09:06:29 EST 2000.
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waiting for ur answers :)

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• From: Arun (@ 205.188.200.138) on: Wed Feb 28 21:05:43 EST 2001
  
  I think he is differentiating small "la" and big "la"
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.185) on: Wed Feb 28 23:10:36 EST 2001
  
  Arun!
  small & big `la's?:-) There are three:-)))
  
  kili (fear, some may pronounce `gili')
  kiLi (parrot)
  kizhi (tear)
  
  Thanks to the way most of us pronounce zha, most malayaLis conclude there's no zha in thamizh and this is an exclusive alphabet of MY...they cite the way most of us pronounce `malampuzhA dam' - maLampuLa dam:-)))
  
  
• From: kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Wed Feb 28 23:52:02 EST 2001
  
  eden
  v shud thank ourselves that we did not pronounce it as malampuzha dam :-)
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ 206.49.110.156) on: Thu Mar 1 01:44:33 EST 2001
  
  In Kumudam's daily discussion forum, the current topic is:
  
  Illayaraja & A.R. Rahman- Compare, analyse and post your opinion.
  
  Please post your views at http://www.kumudam.com/testfra.html
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Thu Mar 1 12:11:03 EST 2001
  
  aruL,
  I told you, Never get photographed with all that facial hair. And to top it all put it up on a web page !!. See people think you are a arakkan :) :)
  
  Fliflo/Arun, aruL is writing his name in a popular transliteration schema for tamil (writing tamil in English, which can then be converted to tamil with real tamil fonts). Sure, he does have contempt for tamils not pronouncing tamil properly. How many of us can pronounce zha correctly ? Not to mention, we are totally unaware of the oli ilakkaNam in tamil.
  
  1) Word initial valliNam is always soft -
  kadai, kambu, pAmbu, etc (ka not ga).
  2) Next to a vowel valliNam is soft
  aasai (not aacai or aajai) etc
  3) Next to a mellinamei it is hard
  sanggu, manjal, panju etc.
  
  So in tamil we have pa, ba, sa, ja, ka, kha, ga or even ha for eg. kAkham or kAham are valid.
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 64.244.40.35) on: Thu Mar 1 13:03:09 EST 2001
  
  Arun , can you tell me on what thaaLam is 'chittukku sella chittukku'(nallavanukku nallavan) is based on?
  Thanks
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Thu Mar 1 16:30:50 EST 2001
  
  kiru:-))))). the photograph is long gone now!
  
  ramki: to me it sounds like rUpakam (6/8).
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Mar 1 18:11:17 EST 2001
  
  kiru;
  
  that was little enlightening. thanks. a small pronounciation test!
  
  Vaazhaipazha thol vazhukki tharayil keezhe Vizhundaapin Kaalil oru Vizhupunn!
  
  
  
  
• From: Arun (@ 167.24.104.150) on: Thu Mar 1 18:12:55 EST 2001
  
  Ramki,
  Chaturashra Jaati Triputa Thaalam---> Thrisra Nadai
  or
  Aadhithalam - Thrisra Nadai
  
  Arul,
  U can easily misunderstand that as roopakam coz
  Roopakam is called as "Trishra Jaati Eka Thaalam"
  If u are intrested I'll give u more explanation on roopaka thaalam.
  
  
• From: Arun (@ 167.24.104.150) on: Thu Mar 1 18:13:41 EST 2001
  
  If u remember I posted Poovae sempoovae as Roopakam first coz I misunderstood in the first glance.......
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 64.244.40.35) on: Fri Mar 2 08:49:55 EST 2001
  
  Thanks AruL and Arun.
  
  Arun i read somewhere that its difficult to compose songs in aadhi thaaLam. Is that true?
  
  Is'maalaai soodum veLai'(naan magaan alla)
  based on same thaaLam?
  
  
• From: Aditya (@ 160.231.1.20) on: Fri Mar 2 09:57:10 EST 2001
  
  Arun:
  
  Roopakam is "Thisra Jaati Thriputa Thaalam".
  Why did you say "Trishra Jaati Eka Thaalam"?
  
  Aditya
  
  
  
• From: SK (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Fri Mar 2 10:53:41 EST 2001
  
  flifo,
  
  Tell me who is the MD of the film Poomazhai Pozhiyudu. It has a song number
  "nadhiya nadhiya nile nadhiya "
  "nadhipol neliyum nadaiya"
  
  
• From: Analog (@ 209.187.151.146) on: Fri Mar 2 11:09:34 EST 2001
  
  SK:
  
  It's R.D.Burman.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Fri Mar 2 11:14:38 EST 2001
  
  Poomazhai Pozhiyuthu
  
  Actors;
  Vijaykant
  Suresh
  Senthil
  S.S.Chandran
  SrikantNadia
  Arundhadhi
  Vani
  
  Director; V. Azhagappan
  MD: RD Burman
  To get the song, go there
  http://www.intamm.com/songs/spb.htm
  
  
• From: Arun (@ 167.24.104.150) on: Fri Mar 2 15:45:01 EST 2001
  
  Adhitya,
  This Thaalam can be considered a simplified version of Chaturashra Jaati Roopaka Thaalam from the Thaala-scheme or Trishra Jaati Eka Thaalam with a modified visual representation.
  
  Eka thaalam has one Lhagu.
  
  In terms of hand movements (visual cues), Laghu consists of first a beat with the palm facing down followed by counting using fingers starting with the little finger. The number of fingers counted is equal to the Jaati minus one. After one reaches the thumb (for Mishram (7) and Sankeerna (9) Jaatis) one goes back to the little finger. Dhrutam consists of a beat with the palm facing down followed by a beat with the palm facing up. Anudhrutam consists of a single beat with the palm facing down.
  
  Since Eka Thaalam has just one Lhagu which means 3 counts for Thrisra Jaathi and Four counts for Chatursara Jaathi.
  Roopagam has three counts!!!
  So it has a visula cues of "Thrisra Jaathi Eka Thaalam"
  
  
• From: Arun (@ 167.24.104.150) on: Fri Mar 2 15:52:47 EST 2001
  
  One more thing,
  Thirupatai thaalam has one laghu and 2 drithams.
  
  Ramki,
  Its not at all difficult to compose in aadhi thaalam. In fact the most commonly used thaalam in carnatic is AAdhi thaalam.
  Roopakam comes next.
  IN case of cine songs there are lots of songs on both the categories........
  Example for Aadhi thaalam would be...
  Vandhal Mahalakshmiyae en veetil ......
  Vandhanam vandhanam from vazvae mayam.....
  Poo malaiyae's Anu pallavi.......
  Nila Kaygiradhu from Indra.....
  Rukku Rukku Rukku from avai shanmugi....
  Oh vasantha raaja ..... one of the IR's best numbers....
  There are lot more.......
  
  
• From: spb_maniac (@ webcacheh07a.cache.pol.co.uk) on: Wed Jul 25 17:14:48 EDT 2001
  
  dear all ;
  
  apply simple logic
  
  IR => ARR
  or
  SPB > M.raffi
  
  happy now!
  
  
• From: murugesan (@ ) on: Wed Sep 15 15:06:04 EDT 2004
  
  ragman importance to music,but illayarajah only for vocal songs and folks.Music is a universal language.But vocal can only understand tamil people.so in my opinion Rahman is the best music director.illayarajah is also a composer but only for street dramas.some people ask A.R.rahman greatest hits now where.this question only asked by tamil people only.Still rahman musics are listened by chinese,malaysian people in singapore.
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18) on: Thu Sep 16 01:01:49 EDT 2004
  
  u r rite.
  rahman is best music director but no composer.
  ir no director but composer.
  many ppl can asking i dunno wat u saying
  
  "Still rahman musics are listened by chinese,malaysian people in singapore."
  
  I living in singapur and have checking with ALL my malay, chinese and eurasian frens. NONE hearing of of rahman b4. If like tat, how can u claiming anyhow. i saying now....wat rubbish is this.
  
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.187) on: Thu Sep 16 02:34:25 EDT 2004
  
  aiyaiyoing...whating areing youing saying?
  
  whying soing manying ing?
  
  
  
  
• From: zz (@ 203.145.174.4) on: Thu Sep 16 08:03:40 EDT 2004
  
  hey leave murugensan paa. Aarva kolaaru...avlo dhaan
  Ambleen do you malay and chineese friends know IR..?I did not say that you claimed them knowing IR...Just for general knowledge...adhaan ketten.
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.19) on: Thu Sep 16 13:19:37 EDT 2004
  
  zz,
  IR-a therinja dhaan ambleen avungala friends-a accept pannipparu :-)
  
  and iththan varusham kazhichu ippadi oru revival thevaiya indha thread-ku?!
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.187) on: Thu Sep 16 22:45:31 EDT 2004
  
  hey...these chinese and malays in Singapore know Ambleen very well!..indirectly they know IR...
  
  Ambleen is the best musical knowledable person in Singapore........
  
  appadinu pesikitanga pa...
  
  
• From: rs (@ 203.101.42.78) on: Thu Sep 16 23:05:05 EDT 2004
  
  >>Ambleen is the best musical knowledable person in Singapore
  
  paran are u sure only for singapore?
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.187) on: Thu Sep 16 23:20:49 EDT 2004
  
  may be South East Asia.....
  ASia-nu sonna...IR irukaru illaiya....
  
  
• From: zz (@ 203.145.174.4) on: Fri Sep 17 06:45:44 EDT 2004
  
  >>>ASia-nu sonna...IR irukaru illaiya....
  
  Appa Asia south east asia voda super set illaiya...then IR is still the best musical knowledable person ...
  Ambleen kochikkaporaaru....
  
  Kolappudhu illaa...adhaan ambleen...Naan neraiya old responsesa padichi adhula ambleenoda inputsa paathu...gadhi kalangi poiyirukken.....Our single manusanukkulla epdi ivlo matter...(imagine the scene from "KING of BOLLYWOOD")
  
  NOM for ambleen.
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.19) on: Fri Sep 17 12:39:42 EDT 2004
  
  "Illayaraja or Rahman ?"
  
  Vitta idhukku Ambleen-nu answer pannuveenga pola irukkae!!
  
  
• From: angry (@ 62.243.89.46) on: Sat Sep 18 06:59:04 EDT 2004
  
  Rahman ..... Rahman .....Rahman .....Rahman
  
  numeró dos after numeró uno vidyasagar
  
  
  
• From: Kiran (@ 219.93.174.108) on: Sat Sep 18 07:15:01 EDT 2004
  
  IR said this computerized / fast music is like fast food ...like POP CORN ...Its great ...agreed ...but can never become "THE" food...
  
  Hee hee
  
  
• From: siva (@ 210.187.117.188) on: Sat Sep 18 07:30:29 EDT 2004
  
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