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Was IR unfair to SPB

Topic started by Arjunanan (@ 195.92.67.65) on Sat Sep 8 15:49:01 EDT 2001.
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Hello all;

I think IR was unfair to SPB during the mid 1980's & early 1990's, all songs which have naturally gone to this genius SPB, went instead to Mano & Arunmozhi, I am sure that IR was unfair to SPB during this period, I repeat only during the period stated above, What do you think Guys??

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• From: fan (@ 202.9.182.196) on: Fri Sep 14 23:52:59 EDT 2001
  
  mahabs, when spb sings a song , it becomes immortal.it is his voice that gives life to the songs.
  
  
• From: Music_fan (@ 195.92.67.69) on: Sat Sep 15 11:33:32 EDT 2001
  
  Fan, well said!
  
  
  
  I will start the debate with high respect to both SPB & Rafi.
  
  According to your posting Only rafi could do Justice at high pitches, which is not true SPB can also sing excellently at High pitches, if not better than Rafi,
  Take Rafi’s “'madhuban mein Radhika nache re”, he looses Shruthi, layam & flares at high pitches, he looses control with the swaram bit, now can you please provide a song where SPB ever flared at high pitches or lost control in swarams or shangathis, no never ever!
  
  Now take’s Shankaraaaa, Every one can sing from low notes (muthalan ghattai) to the highest note( ettank kattai) , no problem, but how many can sing vice versa?, only SPB. Listen carefully to shankaraaa, when nearly at the end of song, he sings from Highest pitch(ettankattai) to the lowest pitch (muthalankattai), even the great KJY was amazed by this, he told this in an sun_tv interview.
  
  Now lets talk about singing from lowest pitch(muthalnghatai) to the highest pitch(ettank kattai), have you seen the film “sirpikkul muthu (kamal, Radhika)”, where SPB talked for kaml in the film. Have you listen to “Thulli thulli neepaadam ma sithaiyamma”, where he amazingly starts below the lowest note, with great heavy bass singing “ aaaaaaahhhhh”, then step by step proceeds to the highest note(ettankattai), now if Rafi would have sung this, well I do not think he could have, because he will lack SPB’s heavy bass & punch, it is fact, accept it OK.
  
  Now let’s talk about SPB’s expression & why his expression is the best amongst the singers in IFM, Have you listened to “Junior Junior Junior, irru manam kondha thirumana vaalvil” from the film “avarghal”, where he sings for the puppet as well as Kamal Hasan, now tell me song where Rafi has done this???, another example is take “Khadavul amaithu vaitha media innaikkum kalyaan malai”, from aval oru thodar kathai, when he sings like animals, now tell me song where Rafi has done this???.
  
  Have you listened to “vaa machaa vaa, onarai peetai, oothikuttu vantheen naa”, where he sings like drunken man, Rafi can not sing like this man, I heard many, many of Rafi’s songs, he is only good for melodies, do you know in the Tamil version of “disco dancer”, the song I am disco dancer was rendered by SPB, can M.rafi do justice to that, NO.
  
  Have you heard Rafi’s “'parda hai parda “, he was always flaring at certain pitches, Rafi’s “'chAnd mEra dil” did not have any original punch, when he sang the song was dead, but SPB gave life to song with his magnificent voice & by adding his own style & he puts the word “door”, in the phrase 'chAnd mEra dil door', beautifully.
  As always Rafi lacked contrl in most of the songs.
  
  What about Rafi’s “'chchalkAyE jhAm'”, now compare that with “sorkamm madhuvile”, you can easily see that SPB outshine rafi. I know that SPB’s idol was Rafi, rafi was great, no doubt in that, but simple because SPB made lot of compliments about Rafi, does not make SPB any inferior to Rafi, nor does that make Rafi any Superior to SPB, because SPB is superior than Rafi in evry aspects of singing. SPB admires Unni Khrisnan & KJY for their carnatic abilities, now does that make UK & KJY better than SPB, certainly NOT!
  
  Have you heard SPB’s “vedham athanilum oru natham”, from salanghai oli, he another example of singing from highest pitch to the lowest pitch, simple amazing!
  
  I would also like to stress the fact “'madhuban mEin RadhikA nachE rE” was ordinary song which can rendered by any average singer, where else Shankaraparanm was most defienetly not in the league of 'madhuban mEin RadhikA nachE rE',
  
  SPB puts an expression & his own unique style in singing in every single word in the song, but Rafi does not, remember “namma oru singari singaporru vanthalam”, who else would have sung the song better, what about songs like “mannil intha kadhal indri”, from keladi kanmanni & “satham illatha thanimai ketten” from amarkalam!
  
  SPB is unique entity with no limitations & boundaries, only reason why M.rafi was more famous than SPB, was the fact M.rafi use to sing hindi songs & he was northie, but that does not mean he is the greatest singer in India, Bill Clinton is much more famous than vajbai that does not make vajbai stupid or dumb, or something like that,it SPB who is the greatest singer in India
  
  By the way SPB has won more National Awards, State awards, Filfare awards, Padmashree awards than any other singers in India, including M.rafi, KJY, Ghantasala.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.204) on: Sat Sep 15 15:13:30 EDT 2001
  
  more national and state awards than KJY. not quite.
  
  
• From: Mudhalvan (@ 195.92.67.69) on: Sat Sep 15 15:41:50 EDT 2001
  
  MS;
  
  What KJY won more national wards & state awards than SPB, get real!!!
  
  
• From: sats (@ 63.210.76.214) on: Sat Sep 15 23:01:29 EDT 2001
  
  i agree with MS
  kjy won more national & state awards than SPB
  further music man
  "I would also like to stress the fact “'madhuban mEin RadhikA nachE rE” was ordinary song which can rendered by any average singer"
  do u really mean this , got one more doubt did spb sing like animals etc in the song "kadavul amaithu veitha medai "
  
  
• From: Music_fan (@ 195.92.67.68) on: Sun Sep 16 05:37:18 EDT 2001
  
  Sats;
  
  I can sing 'madhuban mEin RadhikA nachE rE', no prob, but I can sing Shankaraparanam songs with same effect, no way.
  
  Coming to 'kadavul amaithu veitha medai', SPB himself mentioned in an interview way back in 1982 that he had sing like animals, he also ststed that he also sang as puppet in the song "Junior Junior Junior" from avarghal.
  
  another example of this master piece is in the film "raja chiina roja", there is song, I can not remember where SPB sings like an animal(elephant), the scene is Rajni in jungle with kids
  
  
• From: Pal (@ 24.2.86.227) on: Sun Sep 16 09:19:30 EDT 2001
  
  sats/Music_fan:
  
  animal voices in 'KadavuL amaithuvaitha' and puppet voice in 'junior junior' were sung by Sadhan
  
  
• From: Music_fan (@ 195.92.67.66) on: Sun Sep 16 11:59:09 EDT 2001
  
  Listen pal;
  
  I was in "Jaffna", Srilanka, where SPB, SP.Sailja were doing a music program in 1982, there SPB was singing these two song "Khadavul amaithu vaitha" & " Junior " in front of tens of thousands of people, he was doing the animal bits in "khadavul amaithu vaitha medai", & the puppet bit in "Junior Junior", he later stated that he found that quite difficult to do so.
  
  If you do not belive me, I can not make you do so, but facts remains as facts, any way who is this Sadhan guy???, is he immitator of actors or something??
  
  thanks
  
  
• From: Pal (@ 199.43.48.22) on: Mon Sep 17 10:24:12 EDT 2001
  
  Music_fan:
  
  Sorry. If what you say is TRUE, then I do not know why SPB wants to take credit for others effort???
  
  Sadhan did yodelling for 'avaLukkenna' and 'alli thandu kaaleduthu'.
  
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Mon Sep 17 11:21:48 EDT 2001
  
  Pal;
  
  What is "avalukenna" & "alli thandu Kaaleduth", are they films name, if so what songs in these films are you refering to???
  
  thanks
  
  
• From: sats (@ 139.177.224.100) on: Mon Sep 17 11:38:21 EDT 2001
  
  pal
  
  i strongly go with wat pal says it was not SPB who did all this mimick stuff , for that matter the sounds of frog and other stuff were done by sadhan in the song "engirundhalum vazhga "
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Mon Sep 17 11:52:56 EDT 2001
  
  Sats;
  
  Then, what about "Rajaa chinna roja vodu kattu pakkam poonanam", where SPB sings like an elephant??, I am very sure that it was SPB!
  
  BTW the film name 4 the above song is "rajaa chinna roja", a superstar film!
  
  
• From: sats (@ 139.177.224.100) on: Mon Sep 17 13:00:32 EDT 2001
  
  raguvaran
  
  I dont know about the song u are talking but for the songs "Khadavul amaithu vaitha" & " Junior "
  spb didnt do the mimick stuff
  
  
• From: .. (@ 12.5.10.130) on: Mon Sep 17 15:15:47 EDT 2001
  
  all mimick stuff for msv songs were done mostly by sadan and also murugesh in some tracks.
  often "english" lines in some songs were sung by a person called Saibaba.
  
  "junior" was done by sadan infact his names appers in the LP record, AIR use to announce his name when they played the song.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: fan (@ 202.9.182.243) on: Tue Sep 18 07:55:58 EDT 2001
  
  is there any cold war between spb and ir. why is it that ir not using spb anymore
  
  
  
• From: sats (@ 139.177.224.100) on: Tue Sep 18 16:20:54 EDT 2001
  
  There is no cold war ! since no body is ready to use IR himself , how can he use SPB
  
  
• From: KS (@ 165.122.128.245) on: Tue Sep 18 16:33:59 EDT 2001
  
  sats,
  :-)
  
  

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