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Ilayaraja copy adiththa paadalgal

Topic started by Rajaraman (@ 192.122.136.148) on Sat Jul 26 05:27:10 EDT 1997.
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• From: Velaiyaththavan (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Sun Mar 28 20:01:21 EST 1999
  
  Adida mELam,adida thALam, ini thAn kachEri Arambam.....
  
  sandai bajAru, mamoi konjam ushAru...
  
  Guys, It is enthusing.. Keep the spirit up :-))
  
  
• From: vElai irundhum vElai seiyyaadhavan (@ kcecfp01.sprint.com) on: Sun Mar 28 20:12:33 EST 1999
  
  vElaiyaththavarEy,
  
  ennOdaiya innoru marumaan Hyderabad la thoongindirukkaan. avanum vandhuttaannaa krisna/kamsa yudhdham thaan (with a slight twist). You see! I am GOVINDA Rajan (But my nephews are SRINATH and Rajesh SRINIVASAN, engEyO kaNakku odhaikkaradhu!!!)
  
  
• From: Velaiyaththavan (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Sun Mar 28 20:21:50 EST 1999
  
  Yaavun neerE, yaavarum kELEEr :-))
  
  
• From: V (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Sun Mar 28 20:22:20 EST 1999
  
  typo : yaavun - yaavum
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 98cd50d6.ipt.aol.com) on: Sun Mar 28 22:11:42 EST 1999
  
  Maams:
  Neenga vaanga-nnu enna solli ippadi embarrass pannadheengo :-) Vayasula periyava, mariyadha naan thaan kodukkanum :-) Since you have specifically asked me to point out your mistake as you ought to have pointed out Madhan's mistake, I shall do it -
  
  First you should start off like this -
  
  "Yow Kezhon ! Vayasu aache thavira konjamaavadhu buddhi valarndhirukka ? Cha ! indha Kazhadu kattaingalaam vachindu orey paada pochu ! Kaadhu seriya ketkalana, poi oru nalla doctora paakavendiyadhu dhaane ? yen ippadi yenga uyira vaangareenga ? Sevuttu ponam ! Nalla loud-speaker vachi kaththina thaan kekum pola irukku ! Vasantha Raaja-kkum A.Bhai-kkum (yaar adhu A.Bhai ???, yenakku A.R.R Bhai-ya thaan theriyum !) enna sammandham ? Unga sevuttu kaadhukku thaan ippadi ellaam thonrum !"
  
  Podhuma ? Naanum suththamaanavan illai thaan :-) Naanum ippadi thaan erinji vizhuvaen ! Neenga pannadhu sariya illainaalum, adhu thavirkamudiyaadha oru reaction thaan. Adhukku thaan naan appovae kaetten, Geetha-amma (akka ? thangachi ? sagodhari ? Mata ? Pita ? Guru ? Deivam ? :-)) Madhanai sammandha-sammandham illadha vishayathellaam izhuthu thittaraangale, adhayum kandikka vendiyadhu dhaane ? Konjam gloat pannara maadhiri irunthuthu. Gloat pannalaam, thappu illa ana ippadi kanna-pinnaanu vishayatha vittutu gloat panna, andha gloatingukkey oru mariyadha irukkaadhu. Adha thaan ippadi chonnen ! Maamu, thappu-na manichikoma !
  
  Maththavangalukku-ellaam:
  Raja-voda pera vechindi inga rendu tharu-thalianga suththaraanga. Avangala vitta, ellaa threadayum "dhjkl..."-la maathiduvaanga, usaar mey dekho !!!!
  
  
• From: bb (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Sun Mar 28 23:02:12 EST 1999
  
  i thought someone was complaining about useless posts keeping this thread alive:-))))))
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.134) on: Sun Mar 28 23:43:03 EST 1999
  
  I'm just curious about the chronology of Silsila and PM as a song in that Hindi film (where A Bachchan, J Bachchan and R Bachchan acted; R Bachchan? yes, at that time they were supposedly married at Tirupati) resembles our `Salaiyoram'.
  
  Can some HF knowledgable fans clarify?
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ ip249.kansas-city.mo.pub-ip.psi.net) on: Mon Mar 29 04:02:28 EST 1999
  
  eden,
  
  Just my thoughts. I think dEkHA hai yE kHvaab has a similar start to saalai yOram, but any similarity ends after the first line. Both songs have a mohanam (off late Madhan's favorite raag:-)) based start, and sancharichchufy around mohanam. Mohanam being a 5 note raaga, when you have multiple permutations (compositions) some of them tend to look similar, but in this case, irrespective of the chronology of the songs, the songs eventually develop into different permutations.
  Only a genius like Deva can do this - use mohanam base for two songs in the same movie. Sivappu lOlaakku and veLLarikkaa pinju veLLikaa:-)
  
  Srinath,
  
  manniththEn. namma family's innOru membera (Geetha akkaa/thangachchi...) konjam kandichchu vaingarEy. (Ekavachanam privilege given by you - no reciprocal deals). Kaamaraaj style la (nee porakkaraththukku munnadiyE poottaarO??) "aagattum paarkkalaam".
  
  
• From: VIJAY (@ 202.54.33.49) on: Mon Mar 29 06:34:59 EST 1999
  
  TOTALLY ABSURD DISCUSSION!
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss05.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Mon Mar 29 11:05:41 EST 1999
  
  Yaarappa adhu adhigaprasangee naduvula ? Family matters-la unnecessary-a interfere pannaradhu ?!!!
  
  bb:
  Vera yaara irundhaalum naan appadiye summa vittuiruppaen. Aana namma Maama ippadi varuthapattutaarennu thaan badhil potten ! Avarukku vayasaayuduthu illaya ? (Adhan Kamarajar patthi-ellaam pesarare, kuranjathu oru 60-65 vayasu irukkumunnu ninaikiraen !) Adhunaala naama thaan konjam anusarichu poganum ! :-) Innoru vishayam ! Ippo indha threada vera yaaravadhu paathanganaaka, IR bashingukku avvalavu madhippu kodukamaatanga, yena idhaatam abaththamaana posts-laam kooda inge irukkey ! Yaarumey ippo indha threada serious-a eduththukkamaata :-))) Mission accomplished !
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Mon Mar 29 12:57:45 EST 1999
  
  Huh! We seem to have again gone through another round of verbal-battle, war with words, with some family-matters interspersed midway.
  
  RajaG, I liked your earlier posting referring to the tasks of self-appointed-guardians of TFM culture and IR/ARR's fame :)
  
  Before pae appears and issues a note again about the theme of this thread, let me get to my arguement. There has been a whole lot of discussion on note-by-note copy, 100% copy, partial lifts, inspiration etc. The act of "copying" seems to fall in a continum. IMO, for most songs, its the first pallavi of the song and the music with it that really contributes to the song becoming a hit! So even if a song is not 100% copied i.e., note-by-note, but if the pallavi part of the song is copied, thus contributing to the song's hit status, it implies that the act of copying has helped the song become a hit!! Extending this arguement further, if pallavi or charanam or any part of the song which seems to have played a key role in the song becoming a hit, and if the source of the same is from elsewhere, is it a copy, or an inspiration?? Some of our MDs are quite creative and smart enough to get "inspired", "copy the key part" (thus ensure the sucess of the song!), and proceed on to fill the rest of the song with their creativity.
  
  One such song of IR that comes to my mind is "Yen purushan dhaan, enaku mattum dhaan" which is similar to "Dum maroo dum". Can we generate a list of such songs?
  
  (I appeal to the DFers to restrict the list to IR's songs in this thread and post songs of other MDs in other appropriate threads!)
  
  chandy
  
  
• From: pae (@ global22.citicorp.com) on: Mon Mar 29 13:34:15 EST 1999
  
  chandy, thanks for taking my role - or - copying and reproducing my thoughts:))))
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss08.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Mon Mar 29 16:15:59 EST 1999
  
  Ellorukkum:
  The two "raja"s I mentioned were rajaG and Raj and not Raja Mahadevan ! Kindly excuse-ah (namma Madras English-la !)!
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.144) on: Tue Mar 30 00:41:08 EST 1999
  
  `Em purushan thaan' a hit? Calling that song a hit would demean all those real hits of Raja! Though an admirer and regular follower of Raja's music through-out his career, I have heard this song only very few times! For a guy who gets into only a bus with cassette player, takes tea only in the shop where they play songs, listens to all the radio programs (Tiruchy, Cbe, Vividh Bharathi & SLBC) - that does not sound a `hit'!
  
  I'm just curious to know from fellow DFers on the definition of a `hit song'.
  
  
• From: Unni (@ sable.soc.staffs.ac.uk) on: Tue Mar 30 07:14:11 EST 1999
  
  Madhan obviously does not know what booooohoo means. It refers to a crying sound. I don't think that it can be considered the way you did. Well, never mind, you live and learn. I must say, personal attacks are at large here.
  
  What is this family stuff?
  
  Anyway, Let's get back to CHANDY'S List. It seems to be a productive continuation of this thread.
  
  
• From: raja (@ icon2066.iconnet.com) on: Tue Mar 30 08:45:06 EST 1999
  
  Eden:
  
  En Purushan is a lift off Dumaro Dum - this thread has been created to list IR's copies/inspirations. TFM fans have surely heard and remember this song - this qualifies as a wellknown song aka hit..
  
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Tue Mar 30 23:00:29 EST 1999
  
  chandy,
  Ur attempt finally boils down to listing songs which were similar in a line or two at the most which as srikanth said , might be coincidental bcos of the influenze of the composer of the original number on the accused one (here it's raja).
  
  A Copied song is something which is blatant lift of somebody else's work with the chance of it being a coincidence is almost nil.
  
  So either u shud be starting another thread or request ravi to rename this thread.
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Wed Mar 31 10:19:12 EST 1999
  
  Shankar,
  
  Its not as simple as "similarity in a line or two". The point is if these 1-2 lines forms the best part of the song which ultimately contributes to the song's popularity!!!. And if these 1-2 lines (or more) are a blatant lift from someone else's work , then???? Is it just an influence or more a copy? Even if just 1-2 lines are an exact replica, how does it make it an "inspiration"?? Especially when these 1-2 lines form the core of the song which makes the song a success?
  
  chandy
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss01.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Wed Mar 31 11:05:04 EST 1999
  
  chandy:
  Are you serious ?!!! Next, you are going to talk about 2 or more notes that sound similar ! Please don't argue for the sake of arguing - that makes your arguments insipid ! OK, if you want to list "En Purushan thaan.." you have increased the size of the list to 8 now. Congrats.
  
  If 1-2 similar lines are enough to brand an MD as a copy-cat, then the (4000 - 8) * (16 - 2) original lines make IR the most original MD in the world EVER ! So thanks to you, even Mozart, Bach, Beethoven and co., fall below IR where originality is concerned ! I am even considering that each and every song of IR has atleast 2 lines out of 16 that sound similar to some other song and of course, I am deducting the 8 "copied" songs. Mallia kada kannakku maadhiri irukkilla ? Ungalukkaga special discount-laam vera kodukkaraen, paatheengala ! Ippadi asattu thanamaana arguments-laam kodutha ungalukkum asingam, adhukku badhil sollara engalukkum asingam ! :-)
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Wed Mar 31 12:13:49 EST 1999
  
  Srinath, "If 1-2 similar lines are enough to brand an MD as a copy-cat".. it is NOT just similarity in the 1-2 lines, but HOW MUCH much these lines contribute to the overall popularity of the song. Also, I'm not referring to "similar sounding", but those lines which sound ditto like some other song!!! If these 2 lines form the backbone of the song, then the case is not just an "inspiration".. the 2-lines were "lifted" to ensure that the song would be a good one!!
  
  To DFers in general, I dont want to rake up the issue of politeness and norms in postings here again - its upto the best senses of DFers to concur to it!!
  
  chandy
  
  

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