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Ilayaraja copy adiththa paadalgal

Topic started by Rajaraman (@ 192.122.136.148) on Sat Jul 26 05:27:10 EDT 1997.
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• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Sun Mar 28 14:28:24 EST 1999
  
  a correction (as i percieve) to srinath's posting,
  
  it is not "your favourable views of ARR"; it is "misunderstanding of neutrality and objectivity" (rAj
  manniththuvidungaL). i dind't want to post this but this is what i feel, gIthA, brings harsh replies to
  your postings.
  
  while i am at it,
  
  people, please, please, for heaven's (what the hell) or hell's sake please donot assume anything
  about others (especially like people who listen to IR donot listen to other music) because, when you assume,
  as my friend says, you make anass out of u and me :-) (a sarcastic smiley :-) ).
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ kcecfp02.sprint.com) on: Sun Mar 28 15:13:27 EST 1999
  
  Srinath,
  
  "...I strongly condemn the attitude of ...and RajaG towards your mistake" - Pray tell me why?
  I am asking specifically about your reference to me. First of all, tell me exactly what attitude of mine did you perceive from my postings. Madhan quoted wrong facts. I corrected it. He said his friend said so. What can I say? So, I said either he or his friend (or both) are wrong. Madhan has pointed out in his recent post,"I have at least gainfully learned that Mohanam is not Yaman and vice versa and never to make statements without cross checking at least with three knowledgeable guys/gals". If he had done that before his earlier post, I would'nt have had the necessity to correct him. Srinath, I recommend that you seriously reconsider questioning/accusing my attitude.
  
  Madhan,
  
  I am presenting the following for pure clinical discussion purposes. I have no reason to believe that you are not interested in the same.
  1.In your earlier post (about the raagams) you had mentoned to the effect, that if Raja's song is in a particular raag would somebody say it is a copy from another composition which is in the same raag. Since you did not address to one single person, I presume you addressed it to the world at large. Who would come up with such a bone headed argument in the first place? Everybody, who includes the words raags in their posts, should know that one can have multiple compositions in the same raaga.
  2. Madhan, you and I are both IR fans. The purpose of this thread is to identify IR songs that have a source other than IR himself. After numerous discussion, about 3-6 songs have been identified. The discussion should have been limited to just that. Unfortunately NO! As is customary in this forum, any discussion - even NATO's attack on Yugoslavia - degenerates into an ARR vs. IR within about 5 posts. I am proud to say I don't do that, and WILL NOT unless and until one of them promises to take care of my utility and grocery bills.
  
  2. A few of Tagore's songs (tunes) were adaptation from Scottish tunes, which were inspirations from the time he spent abroad. No! I am not saying he is a lesser human being or his heirs should return the Nobel Prize. See, it is that simple. All the greats have been questioned during their time. If you truly believe that IR is the best/greatest/God Almighty by all means do so. But don't expect everybody to do that just because you think, you've seen the "light".
  
  3. Your comment about "SELF RESPECT....these Indians are rotten....." I am glad that you think about the future surfers of this forum. Why don't we show the future surfers that we are polite surfers with proper first, and then worry about IR's image later.
  
  
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ kcecfp02.sprint.com) on: Sun Mar 28 15:14:47 EST 1999
  
  the last sentence should be 'proper nettiquette first'...
  
  
• From: Madhan, Goa. (@ 202.41.117.63) on: Sun Mar 28 15:41:30 EST 1999
  
  
  Srinath,
  
  If you had observed carefully, I have never ever posted anything as to intimidate anybody in general - in fact, my contributions in the threads in DF come very occasionally - most of the time, I find the postings devoid of any substance and hence do not get the motivation to post - of course, I do enjoy threads like the "dkf" stuff - nowhere else have I seen so much of latent talent /creativity/ sense of humor coming together - I have enjoyed and still am enjoying surfing the DF - especially RajaG,Raj, yourself, Eden etc. run riot in your contributions and it is like good old days in Chennai !!
  
  What bugs me is when someone posts a contribution in a tone, which gives you an unsavory feeling .
  
  Just read the following posting by Geetha reproduced from the SYMPHONY thread -
  
  " I have just contacted the RPO in London and asked regarding this Symphonic Fantasy. Here are the dissapointing facts: Apparantly, they get numerous calls about it and unfortunately, it was NEVER RELEASED. boooohoooooo"
  
  Now what is the meaning behind the "boooohoooooo" ? don't you find it odd, that in a posting which is supposed to give plain info. on the Symphony, you also find something else which is anything but polite ?
  
  it is like saying "See Madhan, you may be exulting about the info. you got on IR's Symphony, but see here I found out something on the contrary - I am right and you are wrong "
  - isn't this school kid stuff ?!! sometimes, I do not know whether to just ignore these remarks or respond .
  
  The usage of "BOOOOHOOOOOO" is nothing short of a snide remark and that too in a thread,where I have been so factual and careful to avoid personal attacks in my postings.
  
  It is a strange irony that the same Geetha advices Shankar not to "pass snide remarks" on ARR fans in another thread (I think it is the ARR's new albums thread) !!
  
  
• From: Madhan, Goa. (@ 202.41.117.63) on: Sun Mar 28 16:09:29 EST 1999
  
  
  Raja.G.,
  
  
  "2. Madhan, you and I are both IR fans. The purpose of this thread is to identify IR songs that have a source other than IR himself. After numerous discussion, about 3-6 songs have been identified. The discussion should have been limited to just that. Unfortunately NO! As is customary in this forum, any discussion - even NATO's attack on Yugoslavia - degenerates into an ARR vs. IR within about 5 posts. I am proud to say I don't do that, and WILL NOT unless and until one of them promises to take care of my utility and grocery bills." -
  
  could you please tell me as to where or in which of my posting in this thread have I brought in ARR ? I have not. So, what is the above vague point all about.
  
  " 2. A few of Tagore's songs (tunes) were adaptation from Scottish tunes, which were inspirations from the time he spent abroad. No! I am not saying he is a lesser human being or his heirs should return the Nobel Prize. See, it is that simple. All the greats have been questioned during their time. "
  
  All greats have been questioned in the past, Yes !! but there have been people who have tried to address and answer all these questions in the right perspective, which is what I am trying to do .
  
  "If you truly believe that IR is the best/greatest/God Almighty by all means do so. But don't expect everybody to do that just because you think, you've seen the "light". "
  
  Have I ever claimed that everyone in the DF should worship IR ? NO. But definitely, when as you say, three songs are being discussed as works either inspired /plagiarised, I have a right to know the validity of the same.
  
  "3. Your comment about "SELF RESPECT....these Indians are rotten....." I am glad that you think about the future surfers of this forum. Why don't we show the future surfers that we are polite surfers with proper first, and then worry about IR's image later."
  
  Pray tell me as to which posting of mine has been impolite - if you carefully read my above recent postings, you would realize that the impoliteness you are referring to has been / is being practised in a rather subtle /covert manner by Geetha.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: D,Srikanth (@ 1cust170.tnt7.chi5.da.uu.net) on: Sun Mar 28 16:26:19 EST 1999
  
  Madhan :
  If someone browses and comments about IR, I am sure there is no need for IR to be introduced by this thread. Your posting seems somewhat a unwanted outburst.
  Just accept that you have made a mistake in commenting about the raga, claiming that you are nothing in Carnatic music -will lead no where.
  
  You arguge with anyone who commets on IR, I have also been a victim long time ago.
  
  Regarding Geetha's and RajaG's comment, anyone who reads your crazy claim on Yamam and Mohanam will post a similar reply.
  
  "Pray tell me as to which posting of mine has been impolite " ---- your first posting against me when I questioned about IR symphony.
  
  Let us not dig into old words, every one here has a rush of blood at regular intervals, including me.
  Just let this go, I request RajaG, Geetha and Srinath to do the same.
  
  Srikanth
  
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 98ca2b69.ipt.aol.com) on: Sun Mar 28 18:54:25 EST 1999
  
  rajaG:
  Surely you did not expect your venerated name to let you escape unscathed ? ;-)) I disagree with the way you pointed out (and are continuing to point out) Madhan's mistake and voiced my opinion on that ! Please, no offence meant (Gawd ! never thought I'd be saying that to you of all people !) ! It is my opinion that both you and Geetha could have had greater impact had you been magnanimous, or atleast impersonal, in your correction of Madhan's mistake - but hey ! that's your prerogative, and mine is that I express a positive or negative opinion about your posts ! :-)
  
  I agree with Srikanth that all of us have the occasional rush of blood, so we should just let it go.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ kcecfp01.sprint.com) on: Sun Mar 28 19:23:46 EST 1999
  
  Srinath,
  
  enna neenga!! edhukkaaga 'disagree with the way' eppadi 'disagree with the way' nu sollaama, mottai thaathaa kuttaila vizhundhaangara maadhiri, chumaa disagree nu solreengaLey. If you don't specify clearly how can 'maamaas' like me 'learn' from 'marumaans' like you:-)
  
  This is just for you (and only you):-). I think Ilayaraja blatantly copied the following songs.
  
  1. Oh Vasantha Raja - NeengaL kEttavai from Ae Bhai Zaraa dEkhkEy chalO (mEraa naam jOker)
  2. pOOngaatru pudhidhaanadhu - moondraam pirai from aajaarEy pardhEsi (madhumathi)
  3. raaththiriyil pooththirukkum - thanga magan from mei hoon jhum jhum jhum jhum jhumroo.
  
  If you think you my list has errors/mistakes/pEththals/bajanais etc etc. could you please point it out in a 'way' that you would want me to point out to others in future. illainnaa ennOda list romba correct endra sandhOshaththil kaalaaththai kazhikkavaa?:-)NOM
  
  BTW, neenga clean shaven aa? illa, meesai la maN ottalainu solrEyLEy, adhukkuththaan!!!!:-)
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ kcecfp01.sprint.com) on: Sun Mar 28 19:52:46 EST 1999
  
  Madhan,
  
  NO! I did not mean to say anything about your posts except when I have specifically referred to you as 'you'. Which is why, I referred to all my general remarks as 'we' ie. all/any of us. Honestly, no offence meant. With Srinath, it is a different thing! You see, he is my nephew (otherwise why would he call me maamaa?) and my discussions are friendly family feuds.
  engaL kudumbam...sooopre kudumbam.....Oh yeah...Oh yeah....(I am showing off that I have SUN TV now!!)
  
  

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