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Kaviyarasu Kannadasan Vs Kaviyarasu Vairamuthu

Topic started by mannAru (@ ns.arraycomm.com) on Fri Jan 16 22:33:09 EST 1998.
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• From: Hari Srikanth Narayanan (@ 165.254.60.49) on: Fri Jan 24 12:43:15 EST 2003
  
  So, Vairamuthu had the "decency" to decline Kaviarasu but was "modest" enough to accept Kavi Perarsu ? Funny. May be he thought his fans don't know as much tamil to differentiate between the two. With fans like Nandini, may be he thought right.
  
  
• From: Nandini (@ 130.102.71.37) on: Sun Jan 26 23:26:14 EST 2003
  
  hi chandrasekar,
  VM has wrote more songs than KD.
  VM cant say he is better than KD he has to be humble.
  kamal can never say he is better than sivaji, even if that is true.
  
  i have listned to almost all songs of kannadasan and of vairamuthu. thats why i was able to compare them.
  
  i said kannadasan was not in his senses on a true sense. it was a fact. you and i cant deny it.
  he was drunk in many of the compositions.
  he needed that many times for his free flow of thoughts.
  
  and to srikanth,
  i am surprised people think like this.
  
  'padmashri' vairamuthu never used the titles given to him.
  
  in all of his books and in any of his autographs he used kaviyarasu or kaviperarasu your thoughts might be right.
  
  the movie title makers decide on what to put for whom.
  
  he asked his fans and others not to use kaviyarasu as it had many oppositions.
  he did not ask anyone to use this one.
  
  and chandrasekar,
  have you read the poems of ponmani vairamuthu,
  i have, the first one is called ponmani vairamuthu kavidhaigal and the second one is meendum saraswathi.
  
  she has done only two comparing the 28 poetry collection of VM. she is a scholar too.
  i think they both are M.A in tam lit.
  and she is a doctorate.
  her poems are mostly about feminism and local views of her.
  VMs poems are mostly of international view.
  
  have you read VMs poem 'kaalandhoarum kaadhal'
  the best poem ever produced in tam lit according to me is that one.
  
  you must have read them both before keying your text i think.
  
  i am not biased towards VM.
  i have read most of the works of KD.
  i am a die hard fan of many of his writings in arthamulla indhu madham and many of his poems.
  
  but i found someone more interesting than him.
  better than him.
  its just my view.
  
  what you are talking is your view.
  you have your own paradigm i have my own paradigm of the same topic.
  
  i am not asking you to shift yours to mine.
  i just exhibited mine.
  
  as i cant say your view is wrong,
  you cant say my view is wrong.
  
  i stick to one throne many king concept.
  i like the successor you like the predecessor.
  
  its all that simple.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.115.31.67) on: Mon Jan 27 05:09:48 EST 2003
  
  >>>kamal can never say he is better than sivaji, even if that is true.
  
  This is enough to put an end of the argument with you..Surely nobody can think of arguing with you....
  
  
• From: S.Chandrasekaran (@ 203.145.161.184) on: Mon Jan 27 08:10:22 EST 2003
  
  Hi Nandini
  
  OK Maam, TRUCE!!
  
  I accept your argument, to my mind KD is the best.
  
  accrdg to you VM is the best. As you said, everybody have their own ideas and opinions.
  Also, I would like to say that if drinking alone
  can make a person so thoughtful, everybody in this world would be on drinks and would have tried their luck in poetry. That is only hypothetical. So, liquor was just a pep KD required to arouse his feelings which transformed
  into memorable songs.
  And I am not very sure whether VM has written more
  songs than KD, if somebody can throw light on this, I would be grateful to them.
  And regarding tastes, I cannot blame you at all,
  because it is quite natural that people like something new always. But for me OLD IS ALWAYS GOLD. And KD songs are 22 carat gold and glittering always.
  Of course, this is my opinion, and I am very
  sure that many will agree with me except of course
  Nandini.
  
  
  
• From: Hari Srikanth Narayanan (@ 165.254.60.49) on: Mon Jan 27 11:16:34 EST 2003
  
  Nandini,
  
  Didn't you know that Madhavan is a better actor than Kamala Hassan? :)
  
  It is your prerogative to think VM is better than KD.
  
  It is my prerogative to laugh at such opinion.
  
  Nothing personal.
  
  Cheers,
  
  Srikanth
  
  
• From: Sri (@ 162.119.64.100) on: Mon Jan 27 14:42:46 EST 2003
  
  Hi Nandini,
  
  If you are happy in calling Kannadasan a drunkard/womanizer, so be it. However see the words came out from his mind.
  
  Self confidence song 1 :
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  Movie: En Annan
  
  adimaiyin udambil ratham etharku
  thinam achapatta kOzhaikku illam etharku
  kodumaiyai kandu kandu bayam etharku
  nee kondu vanthathennada meesai murukku
  
  undu undu enru nambi kaalai vidu
  ini unnai vittaal boomi aethu kavalai vidu
  
  
  Self confidence song 2:
  ----------------------
  movie: paNa thOttam
  
  enna thaan nadakkum nadakkattmE
  iruttinil neethi maraiyattumE
  thannalE veLi varum mayangaathE
  oru thalaivan irukkiraan kalangaathE
  
  
  Self confidence song 3:
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  movie: paasam
  
  ulagam piranthathu enakkaaga
  Odum nathigaLum enakkaaga
  malargaL malarvathum enakkaaga
  annai madiyai virithaaL enakkaaga
  
  
  Naattu patru 1:
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  acham enbathu madamaiyada
  anjaamai dravidar udaimaiyada
  aarilum saavu noorilum saavu
  thaayagam kaappathu kadamaiyada
  thaayagam kaappathu kadamaiyada
  
  
  Naattu patru 2:
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  naan pirantha naattukkentha naadu periyathu
  ingu peNNum aaNum vaazhum vaazhkai iniyathu
  
  
  Jaathi matha ozhippu:
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  vantha naaL muthal intha naaL varai
  vaan mathiyum neerum kadal kaatrum
  malarum maNNum kodiyum sOlaiyum nathiyum maaravillai
  manithan maarivittaan mathathil aerivittaan
  
  inbamum kaathalum iyarkaiyin neethi
  aetra thaazhvugaL manithanin jaathi
  paavai iyarkai padaithathai ellaam
  paavi manithan keduthu vaithaanE!
  
  
  otrumai:
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  otrumaiyaai vaazhvathaale undu nanmaiyE
  vEtrumaiyai vaLarpathanaale viLaiyum theemaiyE
  
  
  chitrinbam, pErinbam:
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  annaiyin kaiyil aaduthal inbam
  kanniyin kaiyil saaivathum inbam
  thannai arinthaal ulagE inbam
  thannalam maranthaal perum pErinbam
  
  
  
  More to follow...
  
  Regards.
  
  
• From: Sri (@ 162.119.64.100) on: Mon Jan 27 16:27:01 EST 2003
  
  Pirintha kanavani meendum santhikka pOgum peNNin mana nilai:
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  movie: paalum pazhamum
  
  kaathal siragi kaatrinil virithu
  vanna veethiyil nadakkava
  kaNNil niraintha kaNavanin maarbil
  kaNNeer kadalil kuLikkava
  
  pirinthavar meendum saernthidum pOthu
  azhuthaal konjam nimaathi
  pEsa maranthu silaiyaai irunthaal
  pEsa maranthu silaiyaai irunthaal
  athu thaan dheivatthin sannathi
  athu thaan dheivatthin sannathi
  
  
  "I used to get tears while listening to this song". This was not told by me, by VM in a television interview.
  
  
• From: Sri (@ 162.119.64.100) on: Mon Jan 27 17:16:39 EST 2003
  
  pirakka pOgum kuzhanthaiyai patria ninaivil kaNavanum manaiviyum:
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  poo pOla poo pOla pirakkum
  paal pOla paal pOla sirikkum
  maan pOla maan pOla thuLLum
  thaen pOla ithayathai aLLum
  
  kaNnavan:
  malar pOla sirikkinra piLLai
  kandu magizhaatha uLLangaL illai
  
  manaivi:
  madi meethu thavazhginra mullai
  mazhalai chol inbathin ellai
  
  manaivi:
  uLLaadum uyirondru kandaen
  avan uruvathai naan enru paarpaen?
  
  kaNavan:
  thaLLaadi thaLLaadi varuvaan
  thaNiyaatha inbathai tharuvaan
  
  
• From: bb (@ 206.154.118.2) on: Mon Jan 27 18:13:16 EST 2003
  
  Sri, doesn't the last song that you quoted look like the writings of a high school student at the best? Is this good poetry?
  
  
• From: Sri (@ 162.119.64.100) on: Mon Jan 27 19:09:31 EST 2003
  
  bb,
  
  Kavignar Kannadasan's lyrics are targeted on the common people, not necessarily for the literates. His poems are not exaggerated unnecessarily. That is his specialty. With simple and natural words he brings out the most meaningful songs. Even his dream songs do not go beyond limit like the one below:
  
  nitham oru vaanam vEndum
  sontha aagaayam vEndum
  jodi nilavonru vEndum
  
  For me this sounded like a child asking something meaningless to its mother.
  
  You may want to think yourself as an expecting parent while listening to the 'poo pola' song, I am sure you will appreciate that.
  
  Regards.
  
  
• From: bb (@ 206.154.118.2) on: Mon Jan 27 19:21:09 EST 2003
  
  :) I am a fan of Kannadasan too, but I cannot agree that the above song is a great one just because it is simple. There is simplicity and then there is banality.
  
  
• From: Sri (@ 162.119.64.100) on: Mon Jan 27 19:29:29 EST 2003
  
  Ilayaraaja on Kannadasan from a TV program (couple of years ago):
  
  IR narrated his first experience with Kannadasan. At that time IR was working under GK Venkatesh for a Kannada movie. The tune was very complex and the kannada lyricst had a very hard time in fitting words for the tune. After some period, GK Venkatesh re-used the same tune for a tamil movie and Kannadasan was the lyricst. To IR's astonishment, Kavignar told the words instantly.
  
  That song is:
  thEn sinthuthE vAnam unai enai
  thaalaattuthE
  
  BTW, in the same program IR mentioned that the lyricsts these days need at least a day or two to walk all over the park in order to write a song. He didn't mention VM's name but that comment was meant for him.
  
  
• From: Sri (@ 162.119.64.100) on: Mon Jan 27 19:32:09 EST 2003
  
  bb,
  
  I am not telling that this song is an all time great, but I just love that song. I know there are many others love that song.
  
  Regards.
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.115.31.67) on: Tue Jan 28 04:06:29 EST 2003
  
  >>>nitham oru vaanam vEndum
  sontha aagaayam vEndum
  jodi nilavonru vEndum
  
  
  Aren't these words from the song "Puththam pudhu bhoomi vendum " song from TT...
  
  Who is the actual lyricist...I know that VM did it for TT...but to whom does the lines above belong to originally?
  
  
• From: Sri (@ 162.119.64.100) on: Tue Jan 28 12:57:30 EST 2003
  
  Song to comfort orphans
  ------------------------
  piLLaikku thanthai oruvan
  nam ellOrukkum thanthai iraivan
  nee oruvani nambi vanthaayaa?
  illai iraivanai nambi vanthaayaa?
  
  ullOrkkku selvangaL sontham - athu
  illaarkku uLLangaL sontham
  illaatha idam thEdi varuvaan - nam
  ellOrukkum thanthai iraivan iraivan
  
  
  kaathal
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  Kannadasan was the first poet to merge ancient literature in film songs.
  
  kanni thamizh thanthathoru thiruvaasagam
  kallai kani aakkum unthan oru vaasagam
  
  
  Wife comforting handicapped husband:
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  kaalgaLillaamal venmathi vaanil thavazhnthu vara villaiyaa
  iru kaigal illaamal malargaLai aNaithu kaathal tharavillaiyaa
  
  
  kuzhanthai:
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  Can anyone ever write a song like this???
  
  malarnthum malaraatha paathi malar pOla malarum vizhi vaNNamE
  vanthu vidinthum vidiyaatha kaalai pozhuthaaga vidintha kalai annamE
  nathiyil viLaiyaadi kodiyil thalai seevi nadantha iLanthenralE
  vaLar pothigai malai thOnri mathurai nagar kaNdu polintha thamizh manramE
  
  

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