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80's Raaja vs Latest Raaja !!

Topic started by Kiran (@ 202.9.67.104) on Wed Feb 6 20:18:36 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Guys,
forget about hits n flops....talking about creativity , do u think 80's raaja is more creative than todays raaja...or its same ...or now with more experience his music is more creative ???
Well I think the complexity and the toughness in composing now increased a lot....Now its more difficult for any other MDs to try such music !! example "Vanathi..." of POONTHOTAM...Starting Piano tune in the song 'MAALA EN...'of Sethu...Etc.!!

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• From: Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Thu Feb 7 23:01:41 EST 2002
  
  that it is an established fact that IR90s&00s is nowhere near IR80s
  
  
• From: Kiran (@ 202.9.67.104) on: Thu Feb 7 23:04:09 EST 2002
  
  80s RAAJA GAVE MUSIC MORE FROM HEART ....LATEST RAAJA IS GIVING MUSIC FROM HEART AND MORE FROM HIS MIND....I THINK BOTH RAAJAs ARE VERY VERY CREATIVE BUT HAVE DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS..
  FOR 80s RAAJA MUSIC WAS PASSION , FOR LATEST RAAJA ALSO MUSIC IS PASSION BUT MORE KNOWLEDGE....hee heee !!
  
  
• From: ST (@ 195.217.206.188) on: Fri Feb 8 04:10:27 EST 2002
  
  80's Raaja music was specially catered for the story of the film. Directors & producers are struggling to invent a story for the latest Raaja's music. That's why many of the frontline directors are not with Raaja today. I can't understand how people describe latest Raaja's music as passion and knowledge.
  
  
• From: Kiran (@ 202.9.67.104) on: Fri Feb 8 07:05:05 EST 2002
  
  ST,
  u mean to say the directors are making a movie for the sake of Raaja ?? cmon... HA HA !!
  
  Anyway ...regarding ur other question...of course a man needs to be passionate about music to compose music and Raaja's latest melodies are reflecting his knowledge which is output of his huge experience and R&D in music....whats so tough to understand this ??
  
  
• From: ST (@ 195.217.206.188) on: Fri Feb 8 07:58:25 EST 2002
  
  Kiran,
  
  Directors who currently asks IR to score music are either making a budget movie or a masala movie. You are saying his latest melodies are far better than his 80's one without any justification. In 80's all IR's songs were No1 & today he will be lucky if it gets in the top 10 songs list & sales wise far below the average.
  
  
• From: MUSICFAN (@ 172.190.255.57) on: Fri Feb 8 16:35:50 EST 2002
  
  hi all,
  
  ONE WAY OF FINDING THE ANSWER TO THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD IS BY TAKING A SIMPLE POLL FROM ALL THOSE WHO HAVE CONTRIBUTED SO FAR.
  
  QUESTION: IF YOU HAD TO LISTEN TO EITHER 80S SONGS OR THE LATEST SONGS WHICH WOULD YOU CHOOSE? WARNING:'EITHER OR MEANS' YOU CAN'T CHOOSE BOTH!
  
  
• From: Deepak (@ 146.235.2.37) on: Fri Feb 8 17:45:14 EST 2002
  
  MUSICFAN,
  
  Why not?
  
  
• From: * (@ 206.184.140.167) on: Fri Feb 8 18:04:54 EST 2002
  
  ST,
  
  >"... If I am not listening to IR songs as I used to in the 80's I must say his performance is bad..."
  
  Irk! What a confession?
  
  If you don't listen to IR's songs, indeed his musing is not bad. Your taste for music has changed rather. Blame self but not others (IR)!!
  
  World is not dark when you closed your eyes!!!
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Fri Feb 8 18:41:48 EST 2002
  
  If I am not listening to IR songs as I used to in the 80's I must say his performance is bad nAn kaNNa mUdikkiTTEn. ayyO! ulagam iruNdu pOchchu.
  
  
• From: musicfan (@ 172.190.207.100) on: Fri Feb 8 20:27:47 EST 2002
  
  well, the poll now invite the two new contributers.
  hey, my choice is still both 80s and the latest
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Fri Feb 8 20:33:33 EST 2002
  
  Here's my take on this..I mentioned this in another thread too..(TGIF I can have some fun here :)). In the 80s IR did many 'rhythm/pacy' songs. Except he built the rhythm with the strings (violins) whereas today MDs resort to percussion. These days, I think IR is trying to 'change his rhythm'. Because he knows that people are craving for different rhythm. Other MDs import the rhythms from other cultures whereas IR is trying to 'invent' stuff himself. Good examples of IRs rhythm experiments these days are 'maalai en vEthanai' in sEthu, oliyilE therivadhu in azhagi. Still, the songs are more 'tempered' than what it used to be earlier. But the 'impact' value has gone up. In Sethu, 'vArthai thavari vittai' is simply mind blowing. The 'kutti' song for the girl is a sheer expression of joy.
  
  In malayalam, he is doing his usual stuff (eg. kochu kochu santhoshangal).
  
  
• From: Kiran (@ 202.9.67.104) on: Fri Feb 8 20:57:21 EST 2002
  
  Hey MUSICFAN !!
  
  UR QUESTION IS LIKE ..."WHAT IS UR FAVOURITE?? COFFEE OR COKE??...the question is not like "COFFEE OR TEA ??"SO IT CAN BE ANSWERED "WE LIKE BOTH " !!
  
  
  HEY ST!!
  I didn't say latest raaja is far better than 80s RAAJA....I said now his music has also some new dimension that earlier he din't try.
  
  Justification ??now suddenly if i need to remember I shall say Avatharam's music stunning creative ....hmmmm ???....FRIENDS song"Kuyiluku koo koo" is so pwerful in orchestration and tune !!
  
  And forget about NO.1,HIT,Blah blah blah ....MY EARS AND RAAJAS MUSIC ...THATS ALL I KNOW AND I AM TALKING ...
  
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.231.151) on: Fri Feb 8 21:01:38 EST 2002
  
  r u kiddin???
  Raaja from the 80s of course!
  
  
• From: Karthi (@ 63.159.222.139) on: Sat Feb 9 00:14:25 EST 2002
  
  Kiran, how can one be creative if he gives things off of his mind?
  
  
• From: Citizen (@ 64.105.35.113) on: Sat Feb 9 03:24:26 EST 2002
  
  The Raaja of the 80s was atleast 13 years younger than the latest Raaja.
  
  
• From: ComplexFather (@ 65.56.139.70) on: Sat Feb 9 03:41:08 EST 2002
  
  IR of the 70s is hugely spontaneous with the most original orchestration ever by a composer. (today i was watching john williams play his score for the winter olympics, I was thinking what a sheer scale of production but what a oridinary composition! what is IR was playing one interlude say of Madai thirandu and with that number of musicians. i think the athletes, spectators and the world would have give IR all the gold medals and stopped the sports events, i mena no kidding, gentlemen) IR of the 80s is just prolific and just meeting expectations and even bewildering his fans and as someone said adding to the vocabulary of eternal indian film music. IR of the 90s is what i am baffled - new styles, new idioms, amazing amazing orchestration and as through all those decades bringing forth even newer 'sounds' which Rahman would need a thousand sleepless nights to figure out how.
  
  IR of the late 90s and early 2000, is more like i need to play low and give my sons more prominence type of complex approach to music. that is why since Sethu, i felt IR just cooling it. So, once that complex sets in, we might not find our Maestro having an inclination to take the llimelight away from his sons! But, like MSV and Salil IR has another good 15 more highly creative years in a sporadic way!
  
  
• From: ST (@ 195.93.33.168) on: Sat Feb 9 09:40:39 EST 2002
  
  Kiran, stop wobbling and stop making stupid comments. I am glad that you are an IR's fan because you can't expect intelligent comments from his fans.
  
  
• From: Hohoho (@ 203.106.139.154) on: Sat Feb 9 10:06:20 EST 2002
  
  nAn kaNNa mUdikkiTTEn. ayyO! ulagam iruNdu pOchchu.
  
  EXACTLY! This is how the average HCIRF behaves!
  He lives in a pretend world where everything is rosy and pink and IR still ruling the roost.
  
  No one can put this better!
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.156.147.48) on: Sun Feb 10 02:09:37 EST 2002
  
  Dear ComplexFather,
  
  I couldn't agree with you better. Personally, I think John Williams is overated. He got shot to stardom due to Star Wars(and that too becasue he was asked to copy Holtz'z Planets and also not forgetting how Superman and Star Wars sounds very close to the great Alfred Newman's King's Row!) and may be Jaws. But most prominently, it is only because of Steven Spielberg that he gets popular movies and his music has more advertisement. Most recently, his 'la la' chorus at the end of Phantom Menace is a dead ringer(in music) for IR's music which our Maestro created in the 70's.
  
  But many film score fans around the world regard Jerry Goldsmith to be the best ever film music composer on this planet. Both past and present. Coming back to IR, Hollywood and the world would be amazed abt the talent of IR and the speed and quality. Above all, they wld be mesmerized by the beauty of his music.
  
  Georges Delerue, who passed away some time in early nineties, was regarded as the mozart of film music coz his film music is so beautiful. I hope you have listened to his film scores. He is the IR(beautiful violin and flute pieces) of European and American movies.
  
  So many of the western film music composers have a certain brand or specialise in one or two kind of musci. Our IR is brilliant in that he displays the utmost versality equal to Jerry Goldsmith and they both excel in whatever genre the film is set in. There has never been any others like them. Listen to many of JW's music and you will know what i mean. I just found his music stale, monotonous and unitresting after the Indiana Jones movies. There was nothing to look fwd to in his music anymore. But IR(and of coz JG) keep inventing new stuff all the time. since day 1 till now.
  
  IR's music has that originality and beauty and everything. I once read that he like JW's and JG's music a lot but until now i've never even heard of any homage to them in his music or ripping off them. Now that's a great feat from someone who came from a village and escalated solely due to his own creativity and mind.
  
  IR has enough ppl realizing his works both locally and many are in overseas too. I'm very sure he will keep escalating and the only challenge for him is...him.
  
  
• From: PlanetChennai (@ 65.57.9.211) on: Sun Feb 10 04:15:12 EST 2002
  
  ambleen, it is like an echo of my own thoughts in regards JW and JG. Jerry's score for Basic Instint blew me away and I've enjoyed many a movies purely JG' very intellectually pleasing with IRish surprises in the scores. Honestly, I knew that JG drew a lot of inspiration from Holst's Planets (which is tremendous imagery of how the distant space sounds)
  
  But, I have not heard of Georges and I am going to round that in too, so my awareness improves. IR does not need to pay any tributes to anyone, because there is so much in him yet not uncovered i feel. About Star Wars, there is no doubt that the chorus was 'inspired' and very typical of our Tamil movie ending music. For me, JW is a mystery as to how he got there, but there are a couple of others like JG (al silvestri is also uniques) but not as consistent as JG.
  
  ambleen, when you can pls elucidate the following ;--)
  
  IR has enough ppl realizing his works both locally and many are in overseas too. I'm very sure he will keep escalating and the only challenge for him is...him.
  
  
  
• From: Rakhi (@ 24.29.106.247) on: Sun Feb 10 15:04:23 EST 2002
  
  yoooooo guys....give the guy a break pple!! he done a lot...so give him a break now....relax and now give others a chance....
  
  

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