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Ilayaraja copy adiththa paadalgal

Topic started by Rajaraman (@ 192.122.136.148) on Sat Jul 26 05:27:10 EDT 1997.
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• From: rameshb (@ interlock.itthartford.com) on: Tue Jan 26 16:11:08 EST 1999
  
  udhaya,
  thanks for your response. I would check the reviews thread
  
  
• From: Srinivas (@ pup13.stanford.edu) on: Tue Jan 26 16:17:19 EST 1999
  
  SR Kaushik:
  Are you referring to the rapid flute piece in
  "Badinerie and Minuet" in Suite 3 by J.S.Bach?
  IMO, in his very early ventures, IR was directly quoting some W.C. pieces, just to give a taste and feel to people, who were till then largely unacquainted with the classical Masterpieces- hence the deliberate quotations.
  
  
• From: Idhayan (@ ss03.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Tue Jan 26 17:39:48 EST 1999
  
  Guys &Gals,
  Just a question. I heard that the song in priya,
  "hai, paadal ondru, raagam ondru..." is also a popular kannada song. Who copied whom?
  This querry is because of another good kannada song which was copied in Tamil, "Vannam intha vanjiyin vannam" ofcourse the kannada one is from the great "Few dollar more" title song.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 172-254-191.ipt.aol.com) on: Tue Jan 26 23:51:29 EST 1999
  
  Udhaya:
  You seemed to have picked up some admirers in the DF ! You are considered objective even when your statements bristle with not-so-subtle sarcasm ! Of course, you "wanted" to say "... resues any western song..." when you said "...western instrument..." :) I understand :))
  
  RameshB:
  Appreciating Deva's music is about as far from objectivity as you can get ! If you do not know why already, I am afraid it is too late to make you understand. But if I were you, I would think twice about using the "objectivity" so often. One of these days, someone is going to point out the irony, and very kindly at that.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 172-254-191.ipt.aol.com) on: Tue Jan 26 23:51:50 EST 1999
  
  Udhaya:
  You seemed to have picked up some admirers in the DF ! You are considered objective even when your statements bristle with not-so-subtle sarcasm ! Of course, you "wanted" to say "... resues any western song..." when you said "...western instrument..." :) I understand :))
  
  RameshB:
  Appreciating Deva's music is about as far from objectivity as you can get ! If you do not know why already, I am afraid it is too late to make you understand. But if I were you, I would think twice about using the "objectivity" so often. One of these days, someone is going to point out the irony, and not very kindly at that.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 172-254-191.ipt.aol.com) on: Tue Jan 26 23:55:47 EST 1999
  
  vijay:
  Let me have the honour of using the word "objective" in its rightful context - YOU were being objective, reviving this thread. Unfortunately, it does not pay to do so. The "objective" wolves are going to simply pounce on this one - and I intend to stay out of it :-(
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ spider-wd054.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Jan 27 00:16:47 EST 1999
  
  Srinath,
  I think you could be very close to being 'objective' by admiring to only to IR and vidyasagar. And i am far away from 'objective' as like good songs by DEVA and hate bad songs by IR. Wonderful logic!. BTW, i think you also have admirers in this forum who feel like drinking filter coffee as you speak of coovam (sorry DEVA!)
  
  
• From: suresh (@ bellbird.qut.edu.au) on: Wed Jan 27 05:45:42 EST 1999
  
  "Ilavenirkala Panjami" (MVU) sounding like "Poonthendrale" (Ottam/Daud)? Am I the only music- ignoramus out here that can't discern the remotest connection between the two?
  
  
• From: suresh (@ bellbird.qut.edu.au) on: Wed Jan 27 05:47:46 EST 1999
  
  Srinath:
  three cheers to the "filter coffee" club! keep it going:)
  
  
• From: IsItTrue (@ pc5.renewal-iis.com) on: Wed Jan 27 09:25:06 EST 1999
  
  I heard songs from 'Kadhal Kavithai'. I like a few songs. The most catchy tune was Diana Diana song. This song has some striking similarity to "Oru Mani Adithaal Kanne Un Nyabagam" song composed by Deva sung by Hariharan. Did you any of you guys notice this?
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.15) on: Wed Jan 27 10:37:35 EST 1999
  
  2 recent songs of IR remind me of old songs:
  
  'suttum sudar vizhi paarvayile' reminds me of 'maanguyile poonguyile' and the line '.....nan paaduven geethaanjaliyaai....' sounds similiar to
  'uyire pirinjaalum un uruvam...' from the nenjukulla song in ponnumani. Of course, the song is not a copy but has been influenced.
  
  also another song which i think has already been mentioned is 'otha roopaayum thaaren' and the tune is similiar to 'ennadi muniyamma'.
  
  srinath,
  thanx for considering me objective :)) I felt that this thread went to the archives in an incomplete state. Somewhere along the way, as usual, the thread digressed (as evidenced by the postings of ravi:) ) and so i thought i should revive it. also i really wanted to know the western classical influences of raaja and find out if it was just the style or exactly the notes of bach that he used.
  
  Rameshbb,
  let us not unnecessarily begin another war here! as far as being an admirer of the filter coffee club, i'll continue to be so:)) For that matter, i'll be an admirer of any deva basher:)))
  (i have already heard kallazhagar songs and am preparing to bash them soon!)
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ interlock.itthartford.com) on: Wed Jan 27 11:08:46 EST 1999
  
  Vijay,
  i know you have lots of warriors on your side on this battle ground to attack if i start a war! Your friend has termed you 'objective' when you revoked this thread and you have gone a step ahead by reminding another of your 'objective' in bashing deva. I am not a fan of any MD, i just like melody , orchestration in any song. My objective is NOT to bash any MD, but I will certainly criticize any BAD song (or rendering) by ANY MD (or singer). As you are preparing to bash kallazhagar , also go get fresh coffee beans!
  And inform all your coffee club members to be all prepared!
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss05.co.us.ibm.com) on: Wed Jan 27 11:33:49 EST 1999
  
  rameshB:
  Naan inge 'set'tu serkka paarkala :) Have you ever heard me praise any of IR's recent songs ? I have a certain set of standards and am following them honestly ! That's all ! I object to the use of this term 'objectivity' to substantiate your arguments. We should not use it to intimidate people ! If someone subscribes to your views, he is objective, otherwise he is a fanatic ! How logical is that ? Why is it wrong to protest against a person who being short on creative talent, indiscriminately copies others' creations and benefits from it ? If I praise a poor IR number and criticize a good Deva (original Deva) tune, you could call me biased. But I do neither. I only praise IR, the person, for his incredible creativity and criticize Deva, the person, for copying from others. Is this what constitutes a lack of objectivity ? I look not only at the final product, but also its origins. If not for the source, the product would not exist. And the creative arts are precisely where the source should be given precedence over anything else. Udhaya, before you object to this, why do you hold Kannadhasan in great esteem. Going by RameshB's argument, should it matter to you that Kannadhaasan had anything to do with his poetry ? It is in the same manner that I appreciate IR. And Deva is the exact opposite of all that IR was.
  
  Please keep objectivity out of this. The discussion itself exists only when your tastes are tinted with different shades. Bias is needed to pronounce an opinion. The only true neutrality is that of the ignorant :) If you know anything about something, you will definitely be biased and hence definitely have an opinion on it !
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Wed Jan 27 11:36:51 EST 1999
  
  Vijay,
  Otha ruva and ennadi muniyamma are based on a common folk tune played in karagAttams.
  
  I think this thread is for listing songs copied by IR. The songs u people seem to be quoting look like inspired ones. IMO, there's a lot of diff betn inspiration and copy.
  
  endha poovilum vAsamundu is an inspiration. muqabla/akila akila is a copy.
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ interlock.itthartford.com) on: Wed Jan 27 12:18:24 EST 1999
  
  Srinath,
  you have a set of standards and IR seems to keep up to them, you have every right to take his side. If you think DEVA is the only copier who shatters the image of TFM and IR has NEVER EVER copied, go ahead bash DEVA as usual. I am not using the word 'objectivity' to subdue anybody
  and that is NOT my objective. The word objectivity is only used in the context to elicit the double-standardness of some people who calls DEVA a thief when he copies and call it inspiration when others do it. I have NOTHING in favor of DEVA or against IR. When it is a fact that songs are 'probabilistic' in nature as to how they would be received by people, I certainly like good songs and hate bad songs. That is my objective on which i guage songs. I don't apply
  different standards for different MDs to criticize any song. I certainly don't try to intimidate anybody by using the word. Anyway if it hurts people, I will try not to make frequent use of the word. Thank god it is not a four
  letter word!
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss06.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Wed Jan 27 12:51:19 EST 1999
  
  RameshB:
  IR did not establish his career with copied songs. He did it a few times, but those were not the songs which made him the genius that he is. Deva on the other hand copies a rather disproportionate number of songs. More often than not, I have found that Deva ends up spoiling the originals. Only their catchy tunes remain, while in reality there is a lot more to a song than just a catchy tune. And I do not believe that is is a very tough task to copy just the most obvious portions of a popular song. I too can take any existing good tune and fool around with it and come up with a song every bit as good as Deva's. I lack the inclination to do so. You see, I have better things to do in life ! Deva doesn't.
  
  I don't think Deva is the only copier. He is the only one who does it so unabashedly and in such large numbers. He has been compared to IR, Kamal, MR and ARR with the claims that these people also copy. Does this make sense ? When these people copy a song, they either do it like once out of a thousand times or they try to incoporate the less obvious, but more beautiful portions of the original. That is what is called inspiration - using an idea to create a derivative. Reusing not only the idea, but also the original parameters is called copying.
  
  I have also mentioned in another thread that some amount of artistic input is made by these 'copiers'. But not by Deva.
  
  It does not hurt when you use the word 'objectivity'. It only hurts when you misuse it !
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ interlock.itthartford.com) on: Wed Jan 27 13:22:49 EST 1999
  
  I did not misuse it , I used in the right context. It is that you misunderstood it. I am not responsible for that! I want to end this bloody war here. Go get on with 'copied songs by IR' in this thread. I have nothing to contribute as i don't care. Sorry for a prolonged digression guys!
  
  

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