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Ilayaraja copy adiththa paadalgal

Topic started by Rajaraman (@ 192.122.136.148) on Sat Jul 26 05:27:10 EDT 1997.
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• From: vijay (@ 129.252.27.248) on: Sun Jul 19 14:50:25 EDT 1998
  
  good to see more IR fans joining the forum.
  
  
• From: Kirthivasan (@ spider-wd012.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Jul 19 16:05:57 EDT 1998
  
  Ilayaraja was a good musician especially looking at his family background and
  the difficuilties he faced in his younger days. Why the hell did he start to sing songs
  and giving those songs a pungent,unacceptable, tasteless voice. The sad part was that he chose
  songs which were gems and denied himself and the songs of a place in ones heart. In spite some IR
  fanatics might still say that those songs were very good but there is no denying the fact that
  it was a disgrace to the great master. Pride!!!
  This certainly gives confidence to people with a poor voice to attempt singing and spoiling good songs
  No wonder his daughter is following his footsteps.
  IR as a musician -- a maestro/ genius
  The rest - Hopeless
  
  
• From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Mon Jul 20 00:41:01 EDT 1998
  
  keerthivasan,
  Calling ones voice good or bad is subjective. I don't think IR took all good songs he composed. There r some songs which can be sung only by the Maestro himself.
  I can't imagine Yesudas or SPb singing "Adi Aathaadi"(K.Kavidaigal) or Em paattu (Poomani) to name a few.
  Just listen to those lines "...dhagappatta nenjukkulle egappatta sandosam..."
  The voice and the pronunciation aptly match the situation.
  I don't deny that he 's sung some songs which 'd 've been better if done by SPB or KJY.
  I wish U take ur statement (pungent, unacceptable, tasteless voice)back.
  I think a lot of people (like me) love his voice just bcos it's rustic.
  
  ps: Madhan, I 'm back in b'lore after exile (6 months -in BITS)
  
  
• From: f_ir_f (@ horus.erlm.siemens.de) on: Mon Jul 20 09:42:27 EDT 1998
  
  Hi All,
  
  After reading the "fights" about IR's voice quality, I was reminded of a quote by one Mr Shiva, Tamil Film reviewer in Times of India. He quoted something like this for a Rajkiran's movie: "There is no second opinion about IR's voice! But his cold abrassive voice could be the best match for Rajkiran and nobody else's voice could have matched the situation!". The point I would like to highlight here is that IR prefers himself when situation demands.
  
  His voice is not sweety like KJY. But his voice has got something which perfectly matches the requirment at times [thenpaaNdi seemyilE is a good eg.] I do agree that as a song, his voice might have spoiled the sweetness if we look, just from A SONG point of view. But he used to prefer himself only on situations, I guess. As a MD, his first job is to make the song more effective for the scene [otherwise, rasiga mahaa janangaL 'dham' adikka pOiduvaanga!] than making the song more sweeter.
  
  Amarar Kalki quotes in Ponniyin Selvan that 'naaga paambin padaththilum oru kavarchchi irukku'. very true!
  
  
• From: k.r.ravi (@ 69.birmingham-04.al.dial-access.att.net) on: Mon Jul 20 15:10:19 EDT 1998
  
  COPY OR NO COPY ILYARAAJA IS THE BEST AND ONE AND ONLY.
  
  
• From: Veera Akkoor (@ 1cust47.tnt2.det2.da.uu.net) on: Thu Jul 23 20:19:06 EDT 1998
  
  Dear Pals,
  
  No refuting any MD's voice. As I have told before only an MD can bring about the flow and feelings of a song to the listener. Yes voice like Yesu can bring melody, but as my friend f_ir_f says there can be only one raaja's voice when it comes to "Adi atthadi" or "Thendral vandu" song. IR's version of Idayam oru koil is just amazing as many of his songs.
  
  Talking about IR I forgot to mention the great MSV who sang the song "Sollathan Ninaikiren" from the same movie. What a depth in the voice. Similarly The Music Maestro "SD Burman's" voice. (I do not know how many people have listened to SDB) .I know I am deviating from this thread. But to tell more about an MD singing a song is something I want to discuss a lot always.
  
  Thanks
  Veera Akkoor.
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Thu Jul 23 23:19:06 EDT 1998
  
  Guys, all this discussion on IR's voice belongs to the IR as a singer thread, languishing in the arcives. Please try to stick to the topic.
  
  
• From: Ilayarajafan (@ news.ntu.edu.sg) on: Mon Jul 27 03:00:04 EDT 1998
  
  Nadiya Nadiya Nayal Nadiya - sung by I think
  Chitra from a movie *ing Nadiya (same actress who
  was in Poove Poochodava) is copied from Aise na
  mujhe tum dekho (which is I think a Dev Anand
  *er movie, song sung by Kishore) ... of course
  if IR didnt do the music for the above tamil song
  then my case doesnt exist :0
  
  
• From: Arvind (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Mon Jul 27 04:21:56 EDT 1998
  
  Ilaiyarajafan avargale :
  Nadiya Nadiya Nayal Nadiya song is from Poomazhai Pozhiyidhu. The music was R. D. Burman, and the song was indeed taken from the Hindi song.
  Paavam IRai vittudungalen :-)
  
  
• From: deep_thinker (@ 204.220.169.94) on: Mon Jul 27 07:02:36 EDT 1998
  
  Simpletons copy notes.
  Genius-es copy styles and methods.
  
  We value the second because more creativity is
  needed for that and new things emerge.
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Mon Jul 27 08:05:03 EDT 1998
  
  Deep_thinker,
  But composers don't do even that (copying styles and methods)
  
  
• From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Mon Jul 27 08:05:51 EDT 1998
  
  read composers within quotes!!
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.159) on: Tue Jan 26 12:55:32 EST 1999
  
  my friend claims that the punnagai mannan theme tune is a straight lift from a western piece. iam waiting for him to get back in town so that i can ask him about the original.in the meantime do any one of u know about this?
  
  also iam interested in knowing songs/albums of IR that have supposedly been 'inspired' from western classical greats like mozart, beetoven etc.
  
  i know that very very few of them have been listed here in this ste. people who have been really into WC for some time can help me.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Jan 26 13:50:21 EST 1999
  
  Since everyone cries foul whenever Deva uses any western instrument, it's only fair that I bring up the following:
  --diana diana from "Kaadhal Kavidhai" sounds like "Oru Mani Adiththaal" which I believe was a Deva tune
  
  --"thathom thathom" from "Kaadhal Kavidhai" sounds awfully like a Vidhyasaagar tune,"Kanna Vachchaan Ponna vachchaan...oothattumaa, oothattumaa" from Jaihind was it?
  
  --"Ilavenir Kaalap Panjami" from Manam Virumbuthae Unnai sounds like "Poonthendralae Ennodu Nee Varuvaayaa" from "Ottam"
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ interlock.itthartford.com) on: Tue Jan 26 14:12:55 EST 1999
  
  Udhaya,
  you have voiced your unbiased opinion( as you are always!) much to the relief of some objective listeners in this forum (or much to add fuel for new controversy!) who believe in a song's appealing nature than its source. But I think 'diana diana' is easily one of few good songs of IR in recent times. Do you think so? On that basis even if there is vague resemblance between the two songs, I still like the song . What is your 'IMO'?
  
  
• From: Srinivas (@ pup32.stanford.edu) on: Tue Jan 26 14:14:36 EST 1999
  
  Vijay :
  Among recent albums, in kAlApAni, one of the songs has a Waltz interlude that seems to be inspired from "The Beautiful Blue Danube" by Johann Strauss. The lyrics in Hindi are "Bachpan ke Saathi". I don't know the Tamil lyrics for it.
  The piece is very short, but the chord progression is very similar to the Strauss piece.
  
  
• From: neruppu (@ daappc20.daa.uc.edu) on: Tue Jan 26 14:27:36 EST 1999
  
  rameshb,
  liking a "song just for its appealing nature thatn its source"! it is not 'objective'! it is more of ignorance IMO. i cant have anything to say about your personal preference for rehashed music or even abject plagiarism. but please, don't say its an 'objective' way of listening.objectivity doesnt mean blindness to other factors but an equivalent importance to all factors.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.227) on: Tue Jan 26 15:05:46 EST 1999
  
  srinivas, interesting info. i welcome info from everyone else too. J.Srikanth had told before that he has a list of inspired songs of IR. srikanth, if u happen to visit this page i would request u to release the list here.
  
  are there any pieces of kitaro that have been copied?
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ interlock.itthartford.com) on: Tue Jan 26 15:40:40 EST 1999
  
  Mr neruppu,
  it seems you have thorough knowledge in all aspects of music. You must be a guru with complete authority to criticize all aspects of music. Objectivity , IMO, is something that one is looking primarily in an entity to achieve. As for as I am concerened , it is primarily the appealing nature of music that i am interested (i may be narrow minded saying so) and I get it. So my objective(s) are satisfied. If your objective is to look for other aspects of music with your abundant knowledge in music, it is your own taste. I truly honor 'originality' as there is nothing more in a song than it being original and also appealing. If every music listener has to have knowledge in all aspects of music , i wonder how many TFM fans would qualify for that. And knowing all aspects of music doesn't necessarily mean you criticize others as blind listeners and ignorant. If it is true, then 90% of TFM listeners are blind listeners . If "knowing where the tune is lifted from " is what you want claim as your 'knowledge' in music then , yes I am ignorant. I don't care for that knowledge as it buys nothing. All these people in TN know very well that DEVA's songs are inspired or copied.(they probably don't know where from , they don't have to, IMO) DEVA is known for his negative popularity but is still thriving in TFM. I don't have any personal preference for rehased music. What makes you to say so? I still like songs of yester years (originals!) as they appealed to me. "originalla music pottu , athula onnume ketkaramathiri illaina enna prayojanam?" .
  Keep up the good work by having your 'knowledge' in music!
  
  
• From: SR Kaushik (@ nova7.cs.wisc.edu) on: Tue Jan 26 16:05:31 EST 1999
  
  Vijay: Another inspired piece: Veettukku veettukku vaasapadi venum ("Kizhakku Vaasal") is similar to Mozart's 25th symphony (the Titan Quartz piece).
  
  The flute interlude of Manjal Nilavukku oru sugam is one of Bach's Orchestral Suite No. ??
  
  Between these two, for the former you don't get the feeling it was deliberate - I rather think it was the effect of musical impressions.
  
  But the latter one is clearly deliberate - no doubt about that.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Jan 26 16:06:26 EST 1999
  
  rameshb,
  A quick response without sidetracking this thread, "Diana" song didn't do it for me mostly because, of Hariharan's singing and Agaththiyan's writing. (You can check the new reviews thread for others' detailed review of this soundtrack along with mine).
  
  

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