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Ismayil Darbar: the only quality composer HFM has and TFM can import!!!

Topic started by Ganesh (@ 170.140.250.56) on Wed Apr 3 14:51:41 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I just heard the soundtrack of the new Hindi film DevDas. Ismayeel Darbar (who debuted with Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam) is the only quality composer out there, no doubt. The attention he gives to melody and orchestration, choice of singers is commendable and makes him stand out from the so-called successful MDs like Anu Malik, Nadeem-Shravan and Jatin-Lalit. Wish he comes to TFM as well to pose some healthy competition to the new gen. MDs. What do you think?

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• From: :-) (@ 128.107.253.44) on: Tue Apr 9 04:07:44 EDT 2002
  
  Naaz,
  Dilip kumar himself was a sick actor !! SK does deserve to be called that :-)
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 64.105.35.164) on: Tue Apr 9 04:17:10 EDT 2002
  
  AVR, the name of the movie was ofcourse Devadas :)). The contract was awarded to C.R. Subburaman (who was a genius but died at his prime at the age of 31), but he had to be hospitalized soon. The task was taken up by his assistant MSV.
  
  'Idaya Kamalam' is ofcourse a KVM magnum opus. 'malargaL nanainthana paniyAlE', 'ennathAn ragasiyamO idayaththilE', 'unnaikkANatha kaNNum kaNNalla', 'thOL kaNdEn thOLE kaNden', 'nee pOgum idamellAm nAnum varuvEn' and 'meLaththa mella thattu mAmA' (the only slightly below par song, the Hindi version being 'jhumkA girA rE') are the songs with PS at her glorious best. Hats off !!!
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Tue Apr 9 11:42:22 EDT 2002
  
  :-) - Whether DK was a sick, healthy or deranged as an actor is open for debate :-)) - but whatever the verdict, he at least had (in his early films) a certain "mystique" which the camera loved - and that's something one can never accuse SK of having. IMO :-)
  
  
• From: y ?? (@ 148.87.1.171) on: Tue Apr 9 19:46:36 EDT 2002
  
  SL,
  
  by 'original' I did not mean 'first' .. I was trying to hint at the 'most authentic' .. :) .. your observation that saigal being a natural drunkard and also a singer wud have fit the role well is correct .. I have not seen his film to make a comment though .. But comparing ANR and dilip kumar, I think the former is far better ... infact, if I am not wrong, dilip kumar himself mentioned this to ANR and accepted that ANR was super in that role .. ANR also got a lot of awards for that role ..so much that he was stuck with that tag for sometime to come ..
  
  Anyways, I wonder who among the present crop of actors would probably have been the best fit .. any guesses? aamir khan I think could be good but again I wonder if he can ever look like a loser :)
  
  
• From: AVR (@ 203.197.82.70) on: Tue Apr 9 22:37:37 EDT 2002
  
  Well Dilip Kumar himself saying that about ANR can be a mark of humility. I am unqualified to compare the two as I have no exposure to ANRs repertoire. So I have no comments about that part. However I definitely have objections to Dilip Kumar being proclaimed as a deranged actor over here. Indeed, Dilip Kumar was a fine artist, and his roles in Mughal-e-azam, Ganga Jamuna, Naya Daur, Devdas, Deedar, Kohinoor, Aadmi, Ram Aur Shyam amidst many others are really wonderful, and indeed examples of versatility, fine dialogue delivery and subtle emoting.
  
  Maybe ANR was relatively better, I dont know. But that does NOT reduce Dilip Kumar's calibre at the absolute level.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Apr 10 00:29:46 EDT 2002
  
  AVR - The word "deranged" was used in a humourous way, just as "sick" and "healthy" were. It wasn't meant to be taken literally. I apologise if that was the impression my post gave. There was a certain charming "madness" about his performances (a la Hamlet, say) which the audiences found seductive and irresistible. (I am thinking of films like Insaniyat, Azad, Sagina, Bairaag, Dastaan...) I don't think DK reputation and calibre needs any underscoring - just as Sivaji Ganesan's in the TFI doesn't. They just were a class apart.
  
  
• From: AVR (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Wed Apr 10 01:04:34 EDT 2002
  
  Naaz:
  
  Oh, my post was NOT directed to you. It was for "y???". I should have mentioned his/her name.
  I know you used the words "sick" and "healthy" in a humorous way :-))
  Hope its clear!
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Wed Apr 10 03:30:08 EDT 2002
  
  With all the Oscar hype Amir should now certainly look like a loser!
  
  Naaz ,Bairag ? You mean the one with Leena Chandvarkar (Sare shehar..)?
  
  If u discount star value my choice would be Manoj Bajpai for Devdas.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Apr 10 08:30:04 EDT 2002
  
  OISG - Bairaag *ed Saira Banu and Leena Chandravarkar. "Main Bairagi Nachchun Gaaun..." was the big Md. Rafi hit from that movie.
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Wed Apr 10 11:12:35 EDT 2002
  
  Thanx Naaz
  
  In our Sivaji Vs DK fights i used to counter arguments against Thirisoolam dances with this song.A Distinctly old DK with Leena.
  
  Pallellam Nara.. Nara..Nara..
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Apr 10 12:04:16 EDT 2002
  
  Sivaji-Sridevi in Viswaroopam...Sofa Material Suit and Paunch like an elephant's back...let's call it an unprescribed visit to the optometrist! :-))
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Apr 10 12:06:00 EDT 2002
  
  Back to ID. Had my laugh for the week! :-))
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 64.105.35.164) on: Wed Apr 10 13:05:44 EDT 2002
  
  No, not yet. Please do not forget Dharmaraja with Sivaji doing a Bruce Lee, Yamaguchchi. World Karate Champion!!!! Sivaji's greatest attempt at committing professional suicide helped ably by TMS and MSV who were suffering from professional amnesia. The final 'thoppai' fight between Balaji and Sivaji is a sight for the sore eyes and depressed minds.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Apr 10 13:34:09 EDT 2002
  
  SL - Please don't unlock those memories which have been blocked by blissful forgetfulness and the passage of time...Now I can't get Dharmaraja out of my head,eyes and consciousness - all thanks to you!! :-))
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Apr 10 13:39:08 EDT 2002
  
  Here's my revenge SL (summa kidandha sangai...):
  SriVidya Sivaji Prabhu - all three in Naam Iruvar.
  My friend who was with me at Bhuvaneshwari theatre in Chennai had this to say: Ivanga Moonu Paraiyum Muzhusa Orukoodi Thiraile Paarkkanumna 70 MM Yellam Chinna Screenu...Vaada Poi Refundu Kaekallaam!! :-))
  
  
• From: RS (@ 64.175.242.225) on: Wed Apr 10 14:09:15 EDT 2002
  
  Naaz/SL
  
  Do you guys remember "Sandhippu "? I thought it was Sivaji's greatest blunder(Well,until I was reminded of Dharmaraja of course :)) . He danced with Sridevi and Radha ( yeah..it was a "double action" film ) - with the latter in an younger avatar in the same film with his bulging thoppai carefully buttressed by a huge belt ..What a sight that was..! But the movie has some hummable songs I think..can somebody refresh my failing memory ?
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Apr 10 14:12:26 EDT 2002
  
  Rathiri Neraththu Poojaiyil, Ragasiya Dharisana Aasaiyil...
  
  That's a tune I remember.
  
  (Sandhippu was a remake of the Hindi Naseeb - Do I need to say more? :-))
  
  
• From: Ganesh (@ 170.140.250.23) on: Wed Apr 10 14:15:39 EDT 2002
  
  Naaz,
  That song is from Oomai VizhigaL, MD: Manoj-Gyan.
  BTW, was Thangapadakkam the original of Shakti or was it the other way around?
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Apr 10 14:18:56 EDT 2002
  
  Other way around.
  
  Sorry, Ganesh. Thanks for the correction:I meant to say:
  Rathiri Nilavil Ragasiya Kanavil Kaadhal Sangitham Thaan Naan Paadavo...
  
  The rathiri-ragasiya bit led me to a whole different tune....
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Apr 10 14:20:01 EDT 2002
  
  There is another hasty bit - TP original. Shakti duplicate.
  
  
• From: Ravana (@ 68.58.127.57) on: Wed Apr 10 18:14:47 EDT 2002
  
  I remember when I was in Chidamabaram, Nam Iruvar released in Vaduganathan Theatre. My friends went and watched the movie very first day. Next day there was poster on the hostel notice board with the following:
  
  "Nam Iruvar mulam Yemma Dharmarajanum and Chitragupthanum Chidambarathukku Varugai, Avargal antha padathai parka ungal mel pasa kaitrai visuvargal athil thappi thavari kuda sikki kolathirkal" Ippadikku Ungal Thuruthirshta Nanbargal
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 64.105.35.164) on: Wed Apr 10 23:50:55 EDT 2002
  
  Naaz, 'yAm petra inbam.....'
  Here's another stunner for you. 'vetrikkoruvan', a killer. Major is Sivaji's daddy and Pushpalatha is his mummy. Sivaji is a 'chinna thambi'-ish character who has to be fed by his 'daddy'. Promise me that you would watch it along with 'Lorry Driver Rajakannu'.
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Thu Apr 11 01:54:51 EDT 2002
  
  Sandhippu
  
  Sivaji duet with Sri was "Vaarthai Nanadi Kannamma" (TMS VJ)
  But the song of the movie was " Sholapur Raja ..Kolapur Rani" (TMS ,MV,SJ) with Sivaji+Prabhu+Sarat Babu+SRi+Radha+Manorama on screen dancing ..should say Vudancing.. in disguise.. wearing a cooling glass!
  
  With Sivaji i always used to relate "Kanavu Thozhirchalai" by Sujatha.Very few top actors have understood, in time ,their loss of YOUTH!(Grammar ok a?).
  
  Back to the thread (otherwise i feel Anti-Sivaji lobby will have a field day !) what about the following ventures by HF MDs?
  
  1.Ulagam piranthathu enakkaga -Sathiyaraj-RDB
  2.Kovai Thambi s movies with LP (Panneril Nanaitha pookal ..SJ)
  3.Paavi Lahari-Thai veedu,Aboorva sahodarigal and Padum vanambadi
  4.LP in Sarath Kumar s Ragasiya police
  
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Thu Apr 11 02:03:49 EDT 2002
  
  OISG - Did you know that Sujatha's Kanavu Thozhirchalai was "inspired" by The Dream Merchants by Harold Robbins? So was Indhumati's Anitha (Never Leave Me by HR)
  
  RDB - Nadhiya Nadhiya Nile Nadhiya...which film??
  Thaenoorum Raagam Naan Paadum Neram - LP/SJ was a soothing melody (Uyire Unakkaga - remake of Roman Holiday!!)
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.203.216) on: Thu Apr 11 02:52:49 EDT 2002
  
  Naaz, that RDB song is from Poomazhai pozhiyuthu, a Suresh-Nadiya starrer, the song is just a tamil version of "aisa na mujhe" sung by KK I think..
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Thu Apr 11 03:23:03 EDT 2002
  
  Naaz
  
  (** DIG**)I have not read HR.but if u remember KT i met some real "Arumai Rasans" "Kittus" and many other characters in the cine field during some Income Tax assignments when i was practising.So much for Sujatha s observations and nativity.Indumathi and Sivasankari Padaipugal Tamil Ezuthukalin MillStones.(END **DIG**)
  
  RDB s "Meeta Meeta Pyara Pyara" was brought to Tamil by Manoj-Gyan i suppose as "Anju Viral Kenjuthadi Vanchi unnai paarthu".
  
  ID s "Dolu Baje" reminds me of some Bhajan which i could not figure out.
  
  With Tera Jadu Chalgaya Sonu Nigam would have expected a real breakthru with some out of the world singing..But Abishek always carry the films on his shoulders ...to the graveyard.
  
  
• From: s0 (@ 128.119.85.50) on: Thu Apr 11 09:15:24 EDT 2002
  
  aiyyayyo, ippadi Sivaji 50-60 vayasula hero-vaa vandha padamaa solli bayamuruthureengale. naan chinna paiyyan, night thookkam varumaa? sivaaji-oda periya uruvam dhaan theriyudhu. idhu ungalukke nallaa irukkaa?
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Thu Apr 11 11:15:11 EDT 2002
  
  OISG - Thanks for your post. What do you mean by millstones? Is that the hindi Chakki? or the tamizh Aatuk-kal? Just curious. Could you please elaborate? :-)
  
  s0 - it is better to confront your fears than to avoid them. Go out and rent Dharmaraja - Naam Iruvar. Forget Friday the 13th 1,2,3...:-))
  
  
• From: s0 (@ 128.119.85.50) on: Thu Apr 11 11:29:47 EDT 2002
  
  Naaz, rent panni paakkaren. aanaal thunaikku periyavaa 2-3 per en kooda serndhu paakkanum. neenga ready-a?
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Thu Apr 11 11:38:36 EDT 2002
  
  Haiya - Yennakenna Piththaa? :-))
  
  
  
• From: RS (@ 64.175.242.32) on: Thu Apr 11 13:06:35 EDT 2002
  
  Aiyo...."Yamanukku Yaman"ai vittuteengale listlendhu ? Chitraguptan idhellam note panni vechippar..apparum avlo dhaan.. :)
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Sun Apr 14 03:54:19 EDT 2002
  
  Millstone is "Aatukkal".
  
  Sivaji s "Vachan" was famous till 1975 then the "Vajan" took over.
  
  Almost all his post Thirisoolam movies were Square -meals for his detractors.Sivaji kku Coat vangiye paathi producer Ezhai aagi iruppargal!
  
  
  Crossing Gummidipondi NTR was doing the same.Aanal avar "Devdu" Sivaji pavam "Manushyudu".
  
  
• From: isaiosai (@ 165.122.129.69) on: Tue Apr 16 13:58:32 EDT 2002
  
  just fyi:
  Kaahe ched mohe - lyrics and music by Pt. Birju Maharaj
  Morey piya - lyrics by Sameer
  
  

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