Topic started by kalai (@ 202.9.150.212) on Fri Oct 26 16:10:26 EDT 2001.
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If you talk about tamil cinema music, particularly about music directors, there is always a genius in every decade.
1950's - G. RamaNathan
1960's - MSV
1970's - MSV
1980's - IR
1990's - ARR
There is transition in TFM music in every decade . Let me talk about singers.
Before 1950's it was ruled by "bhagavathar's" and most of the songs were karnatic base songs. TMS started his carrier with these kinds of Karnatic based songs . In that period, there is no such technical support and they sing in the stages without mic. Those who dedicated themselves to music, take so much of practices to mould their voices. TFM got so many genius like MS, MLV, PATTAMMAL with that qualities. TMS is also that sort of person who can sing from lower range to any higher ranges.TMS had a powerful voice, good modulation, good pronunciation and a versatility. (Few people consider gimmicks and mimicry as versatility).
After 1975, technically we are improved a lot, we got fresh music waves, but I feel s
singing quality is limited. We got two excellent singers like SPB and KJY and they are good at their voice range. Why we coulnt find a person like TMS, who sings in all ranges ? I feel The power of tamil is missing in TFM now a days like songs "engal thiravida pon naade" " chenthamzh then mozhiyal" "paatum naane" …. Now a days even in sad songs " the feeling of an ordinary person is reflected well and I can say it comes from heart. But think about a normal person who lost everything, his emotion will come from the stomack (abdomen)like a song "yaarukkaga" " intha naadaagam antha medayil" , "neeyum naanua", "paar magale paar" etc.. It is missing now a days.
TFM got varites of singers and we are the people who got varities of songs also.
Thiyaraja Bhagavathar , PU chinnappa , TR mahalingam, Chidambaram jeyaraman, seerkazhi gouvindarajan are a type of singers who can sing in very high pitches and each one got a peculiar voice also. A.M.raja, A.L raghavan, P.B.S are for low pitches and they were used for very soft songs. SPB, KJY, JayaChandran are used for lower and medium ranges. So,many others like chandra babu , Malaysia vasudevan also contributed so much. No where else we can see these many varites of songs and singers. Now a days most of the new singers are trying to copy SPB or KJY and they are lacking of originality.
I feel , TMS is the one of the few persons who can sing in any range. Few of his rare songs I am adding here, to justify my arguments. ( only, he can sing this songs- only samples).
Paatum naane Bhavamum naane --(thiruvilayadal)
Yaar tharuvar intha ariyasanam --kavi kalidai)
Eri kariyin mele -(muthalali)
Enge nimmathi (puthia paravai)
Naan unnai azhikavillai (engiruntho vanthaan)
Chinnanchiriya vanna paravai (kungumam)
En arumai kaathalikku (ellorum innattu mannargal)
Yaarukkaga (vasantha maaligai)
Atho antha paravai pola (aayirathil oruvan)
Acham enbathu madamayada (mannathi mannan)
Aadatha manamum undo (mannathi mannan)
Pathu maatham sumanthirunthu (annayin aanai)
Muthai thiru pathi thiru nagai (arunagiri nathar)
Punnagai thavazhum (maragatham)
Isai kettal puvi asainthadum (ThavaPuthalvan)
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- From: raj (@ 198.151.230.253)
on: Wed Jan 16 23:01:44 EST 2002
Well Said Vijay
- From: kalai (@ 202.144.106.10)
on: Wed Jan 16 23:33:27 EST 2002
To meerakrishna
Q: Who is this IR ?
Before 75's because PS was very busy in all the southern languages, some song gone to SJ, and most of them were non-availability of PS or low budgeted movies and few for SJ's talent. PS was concentrating on telugu and tamil more and she spare very little time in kannada and malayalam.
Appadi 100-kkum 200-kkum paadi kondiruntha SJ- vai TFM-n raaniyaga konja kaalathukku mudi sootiyathu IR. He is the person who extracted more variety of song from her. Before 75 how many songs she could have sung? max of 1500 or 2000. ( she told in sun TV, that she sung 15,000 songs). other songs she sang after IR's arrival. She was widely accepted after IR. nantri marappatnu nantrantu.
Other thing about PS, idont want to reply on this page, because it is for TMS.
- From: SBP fan (@ 199.43.32.22)
on: Thu Jan 17 10:40:27 EST 2002
Yes TMS is `rarely' seen nowadays ..
- From: vidya (@ 130.39.182.243)
on: Thu Jan 17 11:39:05 EST 2002
Hi kalai
PS is PS. Why did U compare her to SJ
Please compare to someone worthy enough to compete.We all know the facts.Simply because someone writes something nothing is going to change.It is a proven fact that IR is behind SJ's success ( the prove of her national awards is just one example).
As U said paatukku kannadasan , Padarathukku oru Suseela, TMS.
Hi vijay, Very well said, keechu kural keechu kural than
Please write about TMS this is about TMS
Why do SJ fans raise a hue about PS in TMS Page?What kalai wrote was nothing derogatory. It is known that PS and TMS have sung most of the songs together.
For SPBfan,
We all know that TMS is rarely seen, but we are discussing about the songs and his voice during the peak of his career
- From: vidya (@ 130.39.182.243)
on: Thu Jan 17 11:50:39 EST 2002
To tms_virumbi
three cheers to U very well said
- From: SBPfan (@ 199.43.48.21)
on: Thu Jan 17 13:38:10 EST 2002
Vidya:
Chill.. he is gone.. GONE... POYACCHU..POOTACASE..
NOM :-)
- From: Mr. Observer (@ 64.105.35.3)
on: Thu Jan 17 15:54:02 EST 2002
Aayiram pattukal padinalum keecha kural keecha kural dhan.. A supreme philosophy that would bring mankind together no doubt.
None of us doubt PS's quality or greatness. The point is, PS-SJ becomes a digression, meaty enough for many of us to dive headlong into it.
- From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76)
on: Thu Jan 17 17:00:51 EST 2002
guys: dont make it a meat market. all this started with remark about the emotional content in ir and sj's singing and to some extent in ps's too. that my opinion. not at all a humble one. i thot people visiting this page were mature to see opinions as opinions. m... i was wrong. btw, vidyA, kalai and their cronies, if you want some kuzhayadich chaNdai, let me know. i will make sure you pay for your ignorance.
- From: Karthi (@ 63.159.196.129)
on: Fri Jan 18 15:25:22 EST 2002
Hallo Meerakrishna, who is this IR-aa? But for IR, we all would have asked the same question about SJ! Hope now you get it.
- From: rajarajan (@ )
on: Fri Jan 25 17:03:13 EST 2002
Dear LL,in your postings about TMS songs it was noted that the song 'Pathumadham Sumanthu" is not from Annayin Anai,I hope.Pl. check up your list and memory.It might be from "Thaikku Pin tharam'
About your points about the soverignity of TMS is superb and no one in the whole world can beat his record.Minnuvathellam ponnalla.Is it possible to honor him atleast now on behalf of our ungrateful palkars befor it is too late.Nanre seyga athai inre seiga.
- From: G.Ragavan (@ 139.85.116.189)
on: Fri Jan 25 17:40:01 EST 2002
The two TMS solos given below really melt me. Among all the songs(non-devotional) I like, these two sit at the top.
1. Kinnkini Kinnkini Yena Varum Maatha Koil Mani Osai
2. Nallavarkellam Saatchikal rendu onru manasatchi
Among the devotional songs, no comparison with "Mannanalum Thiruchendooril Mannavean".
- From: Aadhavan (@ 210.186.51.18)
on: Sat Jan 26 19:42:03 EST 2002
If you want nenjai urukkum song, try Kettathum koduppavane Krishna Krishna
- From: vidya (@ 130.39.182.243)
on: Sun Jan 27 18:08:15 EST 2002
Hi SPB fan,
Hey how could we forget our grandpa yaar even though we like our parents best
Be balanced yaar enjoy all songs......
Hi hihi,
Now what makes us write this, U could refer to the old responses section hihihihi((((((())))
- From: LP (@ )
on: Thu Jun 20 20:30:16 EDT 2002
It is very true that TMS did not get due recognition for his achivements, rather his negative points (like ego, headweight) have been highlighted number of times in different occassions.
Thanks to Kalai and tms_virumbi for their wonderful analysis about TMS.
- From: Subbu (@ 216.251.50.73)
on: Tue Jun 25 04:19:26 EDT 2002
TMS's sense of the situation and singing to the expected level was his materpiece.
Just imagine the songs...
1. Un kaNNil Neer vazhindhaal...
Azudhu konde paduvaar...
2. Sumai thangi saindhaal
Azhamal paduvar... but nammai azha vaippar
That's the talent of TMS... a great personality.
One more pathos from Mrudhanga chakravarthy (with PS)... song start line nyabagamillai.. Appadiye manadhai uraya vaippargaL (Sivaji and KRV acted in that song)
- From: Ramki (@ 161.150.2.250)
on: Tue Jun 25 08:04:27 EDT 2002
subbu MC paadal
indha vannakiLiye indru thannanthaniye ennai vittu vittu poi vidumo
- From: LP (@ 162.119.64.100)
on: Wed Jun 26 11:58:38 EDT 2002
Here are few more songs where TMS gave life by rendering multiple emotions with his simmakkural.
1. sOgam+kOpam
yArukkAga ithu y ArukkAga
intha mALigai vasantha mALigai
2. sOgam+iyalAmai
sOthanai mEl sOthanai
pOthumadA sAmi
3. sOgam+yEkkam
nAn unnai azhaikkavillai
en uyirai azhaikkirEn
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