Topic started by Srikanth (@ passport.proxy.lucent.com) on Mon Sep 15 10:23:15 EDT 1997.
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- From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228)
on: Mon Jul 19 11:54:47 EDT 1999
Sriram, atleast for all the MSV fans, it was a treat to hear his voice in Sangamam. Also his voice suits the tempo/mood of the song.
- From: paattu rasigai (@ columbo.wfd.com)
on: Tue Jul 20 11:03:04 EDT 1999
Geetha.. thanks for your excellent review of the sangamam songs... i liked all of em a lot... was refreshing to listen to some new tunes and beats.... I am new to this site and I enjoyed reading the postings...
about the use of maand... I really liked the way ARR had used maand in "narumugaye" from iruvar... It was a brilliant mix with gambira naattai (pallavi) Have never heard even a carnatic musician using these two ragams together in a ragamalikai/ragamalika swara singing portions... sowkyama song - hats off... melodious maand..
- From: Shashi (@ eed02956.mayo.edu)
on: Tue Jul 20 11:31:42 EDT 1999
Hi Geetha
Good review. It is interesting to see the similarity of your review, Srirams review (in indo link discussion forum) and my review (earlier in this same thread). It would be helpful if you can give some constructive criticism as well (just in case ARR decides to visit this page!!!)
One other question; Did you talk to ARR about this DF when you met him?
- From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk)
on: Wed Jul 21 06:05:56 EDT 1999
Sashi/Chandy/Sriram/Isai Rasigai: Thanks for your comments.
Sriram: I quite liked the Mazlai thuli song by MSV and Hariharan, one thing was the novelty of MSV's singing, he put a lot of feeling into it, I love Hariharan, so that was a bonus. I felt that this song grew on me, unlike the others in Sanagmam which I liked instantly. The use of Keeravani Raga was indeed well done in this case.
Sashi: I did mention the forum to ARR, but he said that he surfed a lot and heard a lot of good things and also many many bad things. He didn't mention this place in general, so it's hard to say if he's a regular visitor. I guess we must look in the 'Who's surfing with you' thread to see any VSNL people! I must read your review, I don't believe that I did and also the one in Indolink. Do you have the URL?
- From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk)
on: Wed Jul 21 08:45:15 EDT 1999
By the way, I forgot to mention that Selvaganesh who plays the Kanjira so well in Sangamam is one of the sons of the Great Ghatam Virtuoso VIKKU Vinaayakaram, also known as "Vikku Mama".
He can be seen performing with the likes of Zakhir Hussain, Silk/Maha(along with Shankar Mahadevan).
- From: Shashi (@ eed02955.mayo.edu)
on: Wed Jul 21 11:10:05 EDT 1999
Hi Geetha
Srirams review of Sangamam was the earliest to appear in Indolink-DF. However, I cannot locate this now (may have fallen out because it is not active).
My review of Sangamam is in this same thread. The link to that page is https://newtfmpage.com/forum/22142.20092.10:23:15.html
I appreciate the info. about Selvaganesh playing the Kanjira in Sangamam. I had mentioned in my review that this was excellent.
Sriram: Could you post your review here? (for Geetha)
- From: Sriram (@ 209.186.147.6)
on: Wed Jul 21 13:27:13 EDT 1999
Hi Shashi,
I listened to Sangamam the day 1 when it was released in Madras as I was there during that time. So immediately I had posted in Indolink about the raagas ARR had adapted for these songs. I ofcourse liked Sowkiyamaa a lot. Somehow I am still unable to accept 'Mazhai thuli' song as a splendid one.
I have submitted a formal review of Sangamam to Indolink site maintainers. If they accept it they may publish it.
One thing is true. I can never get in depth as you and Geetha do with each song. I just read your review too Shashi. I was delighted that you had also noticed the resemblance of Margazhi song to 'Miley sur mera'. Did ARR tune for this Hindi number too?
Thanks again, for promptly reading my opinion in Indolink in June.
- From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.196)
on: Wed Jul 21 17:53:16 EDT 1999
Shashi,
In your sangamam review, your comment on T.Rajendar trying to squeeze in too many words in a constrained space was simply excellent observation!! Good memory as well! Enjoyed reading that comment. Even I had observed it before, but had forgotten it! Even if i had remembered i would have struggled to put that point across in such simple words as u have done;))
'Indira logathu sundari raathiri' from uyirullavarai usha is a classic example! even though the singers maintain their rhythm (of course, what else do u expect!!), it still sounds really odd.
- From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.196)
on: Wed Jul 21 18:01:16 EDT 1999
Shashi,
IMO,nithyasree's voice lacks the maturity needed of a playback singer. i can't see how her voice can suit aishwarya rai or vindhya in the first place.
secondly, she sings songs in a heavy carnatic style( with added accent like 'sowghiyama' as someone pointed out earlier).she should remember
that this is light music after all and should try to flatten out the gamakas a little bit. otherwise it sounds somewhat odd and out of place.
its OK if it was a separate music album by ARR, but when it is for a film..
another example is harini singing 'telephone manipol'. atrocious! i used to burst into laughter whenever i heard her singing the line
ending with the words '... pesakkodathu' or something like that giving a lot of gamakas to 'thu' and making it sound like maamis singing nalungu.
in that aspect KJY i felt made the correct adjustments and he sang film music like it was meant to be. what do you think?
- From: Swami (@ proxy2.ericy.com)
on: Wed Jul 21 19:08:33 EDT 1999
Mr.Vijay,
You've reflected my comments. Apart from the song "kannodu kanbathellam", I just couldn't bear Nithyashri. I generally don't degrade artists, but sorry folks.....she was atrocious in the song 'poova poova ' in PKP & 'sowkiyama' in Sangamam. I personally feel she should stick back to carnatic kacheris.
Coming to Harini, she's got a good base voice, but her voice should mature. She'll be good in another 3/4 yrs.
PS : sincerely IMHO :)
- From: Karthik (@ 147.126.41.52)
on: Wed Jul 21 20:48:00 EDT 1999
The Criticism of Nityashree is very unfair, as she is singing in a good voice with professional capability and singing a perfect Raga unlike the other amatures who only have good voice and no perfection. If she sings in a carnatic way that is her style which is quite likeable and also little humorous if you take that way. In fact I feel ARR is learning new Ragas through her only. She is an excellent singer and can beat anyone in voice or modulation or style. All her years of carnatic grooming will have a little influence in her styly and that doesnot mean she is not better than the old voice of Janaki.
- From: hari (@ 98abc39f.ipt.aol.com)
on: Wed Jul 21 22:55:31 EDT 1999
vijay,
I agree with you on nithyashree on poove poove song. Adding to that, she was gasping of air in this song in end of the second saranam. Sowikkayama was not that bad.
e.hari
- From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.53)
on: Thu Jul 22 01:12:09 EDT 1999
Karthik,
Agreed that she is singing professionally and all that. But no one is trying to compare her voice with that of SJ's. why did u bring in SJ all of a sudden? she might be a good carnatic music singer, but her voice is immature, sometimes nasal (she sings 'thalaivaannn' instead of 'thalaivaa' in kannodu kaanbathellam if u notice carefully) and she is not able to get rid of her carnatic style. May be as u said she would learn with time.
But definitely she HAS great talent, and no one denies it here.
- From: ramesh gopalan (@ bkj-cache85.jaring.my)
on: Thu Jul 22 03:23:34 EDT 1999
imo,ARR is not good enough in using singers like nityashree!his westernized carnatic music spoiled her effort in padayappa.her voice is superb in Poovellam Kettupar.
- From: ramesh (@ bkj-cache80.jaring.my)
on: Thu Jul 22 03:36:32 EDT 1999
is there any new releases by AR?
- From: Hrishikesh (@ 202.144.22.162)
on: Thu Jul 22 07:31:18 EDT 1999
Ramesh:
Hindi film "1947 Earth" is releasing anytime next week in India .It is directed by Deepa Mehta who directed "Fire" and stars Aamir Khan , Nandita Das and Rahul Khanna who is elder brother of Akshaye Khanna.
- From: Hrishikesh (@ 202.144.22.162)
on: Thu Jul 22 07:32:48 EDT 1999
Error : The music of Hindi Film "1947 Earth" is releasing next week .
- From: Sanjay (@ tntport0079.cwjamaica.com)
on: Fri Jul 23 17:44:22 EDT 1999
Has anyone heard the song "Rut agaye hai" from 1947 ? Catchy ,foot tapping tune. Anyone notice a slight resemblance to "Bol Sajni"(DSKR) ?
- From: ajit (@ qcarh001.nortelnetworks.com)
on: Fri Jul 23 23:58:48 EDT 1999
Hey!!!!!
Are the songs for Mudhalvan Out?
Someone please post the songs (MP3 will be nice :-)
- From: aruvi (@ spc-isp-tor-uas-77-2.sprint.ca)
on: Sat Jul 24 00:16:15 EDT 1999
Mudhalvan songs will release sometime before Pongal....I hear its a Pongal release? Anyone know for sure?
- From: Hrishikesh (@ 202.144.22.147)
on: Sat Jul 24 06:12:38 EDT 1999
Aruvi,
Director Shankar in a recent interview to I think Kungumam said it was all geared up for Diwali release .
Sanjay : I agree with you . The song does look catchy on the promos on TV.
- From: Bharathi (@ 149.77.165.236)
on: Sat Jul 24 10:24:02 EDT 1999
ARRahman does it again!!! Sangamam is super!!! Way to go, Rahman Sir!!!
- From: Velaiyaththavan (@ 129.252.22.112)
on: Sat Jul 24 11:18:44 EDT 1999
Please do not mistake me. Can you just explain what you intended to mean ?
"ARRahman does it again!!! Sangamam is super!!! Way to go, Rahman Sir!!! (?)"
:-)
- From: Bharathi (@ 149.77.165.236)
on: Sat Jul 24 11:52:48 EDT 1999
hello Mr.Velai* , What didnt you understand?
P.S: Why that name? Just curius !
- From: Velaiyaththavan (@ 129.252.22.112)
on: Sat Jul 24 12:32:33 EDT 1999
illai Bhaarathi. 2nd statement just appadiyE thookki vitta maadhiriyum, 3rd statement kavizhkkira maadhiriyum irundhadhu... :-)
My name reflects my state. No special reasons. :-)
- From: Bharathi (@ 149.77.165.236)
on: Sat Jul 24 12:53:38 EDT 1999
Velaiyathavan( Very uncomfy name to call!),
Way to go is a compliment, right?
Anyways, what do you think of sangamam?
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