Topic started by Srikanth (@ passport.proxy.lucent.com) on Mon Sep 15 10:23:15 EDT 1997.
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Any new album by A. R. Rahman generates lot of buzz. Share some of it here. Review, discuss or comment on ARR's new albums.
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- From: Panban (@ 63.80.57.4)
on: Thu Jul 6 21:02:13 EDT 2000
anba,
Lakshmikanth Pyarerlal Kelviya Pattirukkiraya nee? (Adagu Kidaikkargal Illai Appa...Indhi Thirai Isayai adagu Vaithavargal) Avargal Koodathan Thanhal Koorum "dominance" Vaithirundhangal..adhan Vilaivu..?
Konjam IRin isayai kettu Vittu Pesungal. Sethu Padathil "Malai en vedhanai"...try singing that song for yourself and ask if ARR can come out with a song with such melody....ever
- From: Panban (@ 63.80.57.4)
on: Thu Jul 6 21:03:14 EDT 2000
anba,
Lakshmikanth Pyarerlal Kelviya Pattirukkiraya nee? (Adagu Kidaikkargal Illai Appa...Indhi Thirai Isayai adagu Vaithavargal) Avargal Koodathan Thanhal Koorum "dominance" Vaithirundhangal..adhan Vilaivu..?
Konjam IRin isayai kettu Vittu Pesungal. Sethu Padathil "Malai en vedhanai"...try singing that song for yourself and ask if ARR can come out with a song with such melody....ever
- From: Panban (@ 63.80.57.4)
on: Thu Jul 6 21:03:40 EDT 2000
anba,
Lakshmikanth Pyarerlal Kelviya Pattirukkiraya nee? (Adagu Kidaikkargal Illai Appa...Indhi Thirai Isayai adagu Vaithavargal) Avargal Koodathan Thanhal Koorum "dominance" Vaithirundhangal..adhan Vilaivu..?
Konjam IRin isayai kettu Vittu Pesungal. Sethu Padathil "Malai en vedhanai"...try singing that song for yourself and ask if ARR can come out with a song with such melody....ever
- From: Dravid (@ 203.126.228.21)
on: Fri Jul 7 01:14:31 EDT 2000
IR melody not for listen just to talk by his fans
We don't want country music of IR.
Dravid
Engineering College
Australia.
- From: Shane (@ 202.9.169.31)
on: Fri Jul 7 02:36:36 EDT 2000
ARR music is divine...we simply love it..we always listen to his somg or sing his beautiful compositions(we have our own troupe)....we cant live without his music...and Other MD compositions...we hate it..since we cant sing those...
Shane
National Zoological Park
Melbourne
Australia.
- From: aruvi (@ scully13.slip.yorku.ca)
on: Fri Jul 7 03:12:35 EDT 2000
Rythm will be releasing by the end of the month!
ARR is going to hold concerts in New York and Toronto in September of this year. The one in Toronto is to be held at Skydome.
- From: G.Ragavan (@ alc123.alcatel.be)
on: Fri Jul 7 04:39:29 EDT 2000
Dravid and Shane, I hope u r not Tamils. I am very happy that u like one Tamil MD ARR songs. We r very happy and we too like them. But, u don't have any rights to comment on another MD like this.
Dravid: mind u'r words.
Shane: If u can't sing those, it is u'r inability. Don't balme others for u'r impotency.
- From: G.Ragavan (@ alc123.alcatel.be)
on: Fri Jul 7 04:45:27 EDT 2000
anban: We like ARR. But, u r all happy when IR looses and ARR gains. Real music lover won't think in this way. I like MSV songs. MSV lost when IR came. If I hate IR for that, I can't be the real music lover. I like ARR songs also. But, I can't think as u think.
ARR is getting good opps. Well and Good. We wish him scoring more in TFM also.
- From: anban (@ 139.85.161.162)
on: Fri Jul 7 08:24:14 EDT 2000
Raghavan, the problem here is, every body is taking the comments about ilayaraja to the heart, iam very great fan of raja,but iam really dejected now, as i find his quality of music going down,as days goes by, can u find the quality which he had some 10 years back, some thing is wrong or either our liking has changed,aana wat i dont like is,since people like IR they hate ARR, I DONT KNOW Y
- From: Concerned Fan (@ daecfp02.sprint.com)
on: Fri Jul 7 12:35:26 EDT 2000
A serious degenerating trait developing in musical performances:
Did you know that in both the much publicized "live show by ARR and his group" performances in Malaysia and Dubai, NONE of the songs were played by ARR or his musicians (yes that includes Sivamani, Naveen, etc). They all ACTED in front of the audience but the actual music was played through a DAT tape. For most of the songs, the singers sang live to track music. For some of the songs, even the singers faked it - which explains why we saw Malgadi Subha (singing i.e. acting) for Caroline's Thee thee thithikkum thee. All this I believe, so that the audience is given only the 'best'.
Tell me! Would you like to churn out Megabucks to see ARR's "pretty face" when you know that he is not 'performing' on stage. I would like to know the opinion of DFers on this topic, as this disturbing trend is creeping into second tier performers too.
- From: chandy (@ ws025038.coba.siu.edu)
on: Fri Jul 7 12:53:37 EDT 2000
Concerned Fan:
I noticed this when I saw the video of the live show of dubai concert - it was very evident that malugudi subha was just lip-sync-ing. It was very obvious when she did thee-thee in a very carolinish way, and then zoomed into a husky, hi-pitched "kaatu vazhiyegum karichaan kuruveehalaaaa.." (one of my friend insists that malgudi subha is versatile enough to modify her voice and she can sing thee-thee in the way she renderd it in dubai!!). The show was a mix of karaoke and a live performance. But if the producers of the show do not mind it, and they also agree to it... whats the point?
The cost of making a mistake in a live show is very high. The hi-fi MDs cannot afford to risk messing up on stage-live. May be, that explains their usage of karaoke+live combo.
SPB's flaws become too obvious in live-setting. Similar is the case with HH - see his malaysia concert and you'll know what I'm referring to. Inspite of the musical support, singers could mess up in live performance! But MDs have a easy way to play it from DAT, and get off with it easily.
I attended a live show of S.Janaki, done with a troupe called saadhaga paravaigal in madras a few months back. man, that was a concert of a life time!! The concert explained why SJ is what she is today. I think the second-tier groups like saahaga paravigal really work hard, practice hard and deliver quality output for concerts unlike the much hyped MDs - be it ARR, Deva or GA.
chandy
- From: CF (@ 208.24.179.211)
on: Fri Jul 7 13:05:28 EDT 2000
Chandy:
This is my question. A karaoke CD costs $14 a pop (give or take a couple of $) with 5 to 6 songs in each CD. Compare this with ARR demanding $150,000 for a "live" performance. I think it is blatantly unethical to advertise "live" show and present "taped" show.
- From: CF (@ daecfp01.sprint.com)
on: Fri Jul 7 13:13:42 EDT 2000
I hate to make comparisons - but I attended a genuinely live show by IR and GA with Mano, Jeyachandran, Jency in 1982 in Rani Seethai Hall. adha paththi ninaichchaa innum pullarikkiradhu. I would hate to see that culture dying because some insecure performers hate the idea of making mistakes on stage. I have attended SPB's live shows where he has offered a mixed bag of fantastic originals, awesome improvs, and of course some 'sucky' variations too. I never for once doubted his talents and explained his antics to 'sheer boredom'. But I would hate to see such artists playing 'lip synch' albums. Let us not compare these artists with Brittany Spears. She MAY lip synch but compensates with her looks and dances. I would hate to see KJY/SPB/KSC dancing on stage.:-)
- From: CF (@ daecfp01.sprint.com)
on: Fri Jul 7 13:21:02 EDT 2000
Chandy: The cost of making a mistake in a live show is very high.
I don't think so. It is much less than the lost reputation when the crowd knows it is taped music/songs.
Plus, in the Dubai show, Javed Jaffrey asks Rehman about people accusing him (ARR) of computerised, programmed, music. If you remember, ARR replies verifying his authentic music and points out to each individual musician by name - what a joke, considering that none of them played that evening!
- From: chandy (@ ws025038.coba.siu.edu)
on: Fri Jul 7 13:32:13 EDT 2000
CF :
Do you think the producers of the show dont know about the use of karaoke in the live shows? Cant they prevent it? It is they who make big money. Cant they insist in their contract that this shouldnt be done?? The producers are to be blamed first, and then the MD.
Producers want the shows more than the MDs themselves. MDs (the case here is ARR) anyway make more money - they are not entirely dependant on live shows. On the other hand, its the producers who do the advertising, fan-fare, so that ehy can generate the money!!
aaga motham, the one who gets cheated by both producers & MDs is the AUDIENCE!!!
chandy
- From: anban (@ 139.85.161.162)
on: Fri Jul 7 13:34:20 EDT 2000
Furhther i read that during the release of the album "DOUBLES" by deva's son srikanth, the same thing was happening, very unfortunately the cd had some problem and the whole show turned out to be a comedy. by attending such shows we pay to be fooled.
- From: CF (@ daecfp01.sprint.com)
on: Fri Jul 7 13:40:52 EDT 2000
Agreed 100%. So it is in the hands of the "audience" to call this bluff. For starters, here is a simple solution. To the producers of the "XYZ live show" a letter of protest and a threat of demonstration outside the auditorium if the show turns out to be NOT live. The letter may also include a threat to claim "class action refund". Don't worry! The producers and the MDs will not try to stake a claim on the legality or otherwise. The moment they feel that the audience MAY cause problems, their greed will turn to fear!
As you are probably aware Chandy, mine is not a personal grudge. I just want to make sure that these performers are constantly 'challenged' to bring out a level of talent, which ONLY they can do!
- From: chandy (@ ws025038.coba.siu.edu)
on: Fri Jul 7 13:54:00 EDT 2000
CF (rajaG??)
An interesting question is - how many people in audience really care about live-music? For most audience, the perception of "live" in a live-show is singing. It has always been a SPB, Asha, KJY, HH's concerts. The music(instruments and arrangements) part was taken for granted... The instrumentalists never got that limelight/visibility as much as the singers, though their roles were equal if not more than that of singers.
Only if the MD has a big name - be it IR, ARR ar GA, they hog the limelight, along with singers. Unless audience become demanding for a "completely-live-show", what you suggest may remain only on papers. Many people in audience might get contended with hearing SPB, KJY or HH, rather than shun the show just because the music "coming from behind" (!!) isnt really from the instruments!!
chandy
- From: Concerned about pseudonyms! (@ daecfp01.sprint.com)
on: Fri Jul 7 13:59:36 EDT 2000
Chandy:
idhukkuththaan naa romba "careful" aa pseudonym select paNrEn:-)
You will be surprised by the audience disappointment in "NON LIVE" shows these days. But I don't want to go into details (which cannot be done without naming artists) in a public forum like this. Hopefully, sometime over e0mail or phone. Until then, I think I have created enough interest and awareness on this topic for now.
Ciao!
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