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Tired of Deva. Need someone like ManiSharma for TFM

Topic started by Sangeetha (@ 38.230.118.217) on Tue May 18 21:43:18 EDT 1999.
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Based on the Vairamuthu's logic, whoever MDing 40 films a year, out of which, at least 10 films will become hit that will leads that MD to be successful in the following year also.

Only exception for the above is ARR.

Deva is the only one who is utilizing this very well. At present he is scoring music for more than 40 films and keep accepting more offers. Regardless of his music producers are at the feet of Deva, because he is being the MD for Hit movies.

It was the case in Telugu Film Music until two years back. Keeravani was the only one who scored maximum no of movies, Ofcourse Keeravani never and ever should be compared with Deva, Now Manisharma a new arrival, has started giving many movies with good stuff.

For healthier TFM for these days, Picky ARR and IR would not be sufficient.

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• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Wed May 26 10:22:59 EDT 1999
  
  Srikanth: Neither am I jobless nor am I creating trouble. I am not YSR's PRO. Nor do I hold him in high esteem.It is your lack of understanding that keeps on harping on YSR while the discussion is on Mani Sarma. Secondly, I have mentioned about how I have heard Mr.Sarma's score and how *&*$@ it was. I dont know about his background but his output certainly leaves a lot to be desired. Maybe you could call him good..but great..dont I have a right to get pi*** off by such undeserved epithets? One says SDBurman was great .One says MSV was great.One says Ilayaraja is great. And in the same breath does one add Mani Sarma is great?
  
  Now , you wont think of all that. You will simply come in and bash anyone who has the sense of discrimination to distinguish between the good and the great and youll try to throw the brahmasthram -"Do u know music?". No, sorry its not going to work. Tell me five reasons why MS is great.
  
  AND please remember,I know damned well about Sarma. I have heard atleast five of his albums -Choodalani vundhi, Manasichi choodu, Iddaru Mitralu, just to name a few- and I will strongly dispute if anyone says he is great. His output doesnt warrant that epithet, yet.
  
  You will do well to understand what people are saying before trying to 'answer' them. And I am amused that you bring in the Raja clan when we are talking about Mani Sarma.
  
  Great arrangements? Ah! Were you not the one to complain that Raja was good at orchestral arrangements but that alone doesnt make him great!!!
  Ah!If the great Raja doesnt qualify as great in your dictionary because -and mind, I am only repeating what you have said in some other thread some other time(Caught you there, didnt I?;-)) )- "he was goood only with orchestral arrangements", pray how does MS qualify for greatness with his "Great arrangements"??
  
  Hmmm... I suppose Logic is not one of your strong points..so I shouldnt be harassing you with the absence of logic in your arguments.So, here I go...if possible, try to retort logically rather than emotionally,Thank you.
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Wed May 26 10:27:02 EDT 1999
  
  Some clarifications: Just in case someone tells me hearing a mere five albums doesnt qualify me to comment on his score, well be informed that he has scored about 10-12 movies only so far. I couldnt have possibly had more material.
  Ans MS is ofcourse Mani Sarma..Murali Sankar,please excuse me;-)))
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Wed May 26 11:13:14 EDT 1999
  
  This is a form for discussion on TFM and people associated with it. Is Mani Sharma in anyway associated with TFM now? If the answer is NO, theres no point in having this discussion here. Pls continue this discussion in forum hub in some other appropriate thread. NOM :)
  
  The title of this thread is intriguing! that provides the `tenous' link between mani sharma and TFM. Do we need mani sharma in TFM? In the same note one can have "Is XYZ needed in TFM", where X could be a t,d,h from argentiana, aruba or zambia!!!
  
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ kcecfp01.sprint.com) on: Wed May 26 11:35:14 EDT 1999
  
  Srikanth,
  
  You are going to hate me for this. (I hope not). But Mani Sarma has atta copied the charanam of Yammaa yammaa for ayyaa maarEy (aadhaab arze in Telugu) for the movie Ganesh. The other songs are quite ordinary, run of the mill compositions too. I tend to agree with Raj (God I hate myself now:-)). Mani Sarma is probably a 'great' talent/potential. But based only on what he has produced in TeFM, which is probably the only sample available to the masses, he has not done anything remarkable. Actually, Sandeep Chautha has composed excellent songs for NinnEy PeLLaaduthaa. I probably should send you a cassette of both Ninney...and Ganesh/Choodaalani Undhi so that you can be a judge for yourself.
  
  BTW, I hope you have taken your Keyboard to NY too. E-mail your number to me.
  
  
• From: SitaRam (@ portal.ameritech.com) on: Wed May 26 12:13:33 EDT 1999
  
  From the brewing hot dispute goin on, personally I feel Manisharma should be archived, I mean this thread. A legend scoring consistently great music for over 700 films does not get the same pat on the back from Srikanth now at New York the way Srikanth now at New York has done for a virtual unknown musician, then we have a problem here in this forum.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 176.new-york-21-22rs.ny.dial-access.att.net) on: Wed May 26 18:08:04 EDT 1999
  
  Guys,
  I was angry with Mr.Yaro, he made a statement about Mani that just few movies one becomes a great composer, as far as I am concerned yes! he is a great composer and musician.
  Many folks here were asking about Mani (read first few postings, I shared some things I know about him. But People like Raj who knows just to play with words twisted my words. I replied him when people like yovan gets attention why not Mani?, who is my guru, there it ends.
  One gentle man pulls me up against Raja. I am out of this guys.
  
  
  
  
• From: SRK (@ nova21.cs.wisc.edu) on: Wed May 26 20:54:13 EDT 1999
  
  Mani Sharma may not be great at tunes, but he is pretty good in BGM. I would say far better than HFM guys.
  
  Anyway, he might be better than Deva - I wouldn't dispute that.
  
  
• From: Srinivas (@ pup41.stanford.edu) on: Wed May 26 21:41:56 EDT 1999
  
  SRK said it right. Though MS has failed in the songs dept, his background music is pretty good.
  In fact, his bgm for a tel. film samarasimhareddi" was better than Raja's much hyped bgm for Anthahpuram.
  (with similar situations).
  
  
• From: Praveen (@ bay3-41.dial.umd.edu) on: Wed May 26 23:06:27 EDT 1999
  
  Srinivas,
  The BGM for samarasimha reddy in some parts reminded me of the Malargale song in Lovebirds. I am not very sure reg this since it is sometime I saw this movie. And I haven't seen Anthahpuram. But I heard Anthahpuram as a movie was better than Samara simha reddy :)
  
  
• From: Praveen (@ bay3-41.dial.umd.edu) on: Wed May 26 23:10:10 EDT 1999
  
  Also I think we can shift this to the hub.
  bb/Ravi, can u do this?
  SRK, what abt starting a new thread in the hub for TeFM.
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Wed May 26 23:47:38 EDT 1999
  
  This is funny...srikanth...YOU didnt understand what I was saying;YOU were the one who misinterpreted things. I still maintain:A few movies, and not-so-great-scores those too, dont make a great composer...whether it is YSR or MS. You are being carried away by the fact that he is ur Guru. That doesnt mean that I should evaluate him objectively(oops..I dont mean it, do I?;-)) ).
  
  He is not great.Not yet. And I will vehemently dispute any clams that he is great. If he is great so are UK and HH.
  
  Anthapuram was indeed real good as far aas BGM goes. And I dare say, if MS has bettered it in SSR, I am prepared to stop writing in this DF.
  
  And Chandy..if one wishes to establish a link betwen MS and TFM...Consider Ganesh, the venkatesh starrer dubbed from Te. I think it was scored by our great composer;-))
  
  
  
• From: Srinivas (@ pup40.stanford.edu) on: Thu May 27 14:10:02 EDT 1999
  
  IMO, anthahpuram had very conventional and boring BGM. As a film, Anthahpuram was better but Raja drowned most of the sequences with maudlin bgm.
  The score is precise and matches the sombre mood of the proceedings, but is not very special.
  By Raja's own standards, the bgm is bad! Even the piece that appears in the title track which is almost always good for IR's films (e.g Shiva, Anjali) was quite average. Contrasted to this, the title piece for SSR was much better.
  
  
• From: SitaRam (@ portal.ameritech.com) on: Thu May 27 14:54:28 EDT 1999
  
  Srinivas, I beg to differ
  
  i saw Anthapuram video and it was really sad to see IR's breakthrough songs picturised so casually, should say with a scant regard. In other words, IR gave 100 fold more than what the director/producer was capable of justifying in the movie. Even the movie as a whole was a waste. i wonder if someone said that the movie was a hit. If it was, it must have been only for the songs and the track ; IR was at his polite best. Why does IR waste these songs on such poor producers.
  
  
• From: Srinivas (@ pup40.stanford.edu) on: Thu May 27 15:08:33 EDT 1999
  
  Sitaram,
  You may be right about the songs being nice. (well they were sort of OK). I was only referring to the BGM. I am not sure why, but the bgm failed to make an emotional impact- instead, it came out as being excessively sentimental at times, and dulling the proceedings in general.
  I did not like the movie too much either- it lacked a coherent story. And there were loose ends too. But, Prakash raj chipped in a good performance.
  I am a great fan of IR too, but that does not mean that I appreciate all of his work. In fact, one of the songs 'Sree venkatesa.." was a rehash of a song called "Sindhurapoo" from another film "Killer". This goes to show that IR is really using the theoretical/algorithmic approach.
  As regards the commercial success, the film was an average runner - the songs were popular for some time, but the success of the album is no way comparable to IR's past hits (githanjali/abhinanadana) etc.
  
  
• From: Srinivas (@ pup40.stanford.edu) on: Thu May 27 15:15:08 EDT 1999
  
  Sitaram,
  When I said that as a film Anthahpuram was "better", I was comparing it with another film SSR. I was not comaring the quality of the film with it's own music. Indeed, I do not know whether such a comparison makes sense. Even if I did, I would have rated the music better. If not for IR's songs, I would not have sat through the whole film at all :-)).
  
  
• From: Srinivas (@ pup39.stanford.edu) on: Tue Jun 15 16:27:46 EDT 1999
  
  Coming back to the topic of Manisharma, I feel that he does a great job in the "Yamaha nagari" song in Choodalanivundhi. I was waiting for a song like this for some time. But, I think the BGM of choodalani vundhi is a much clearer display of his abilities than the songs. This guy sure has good potential.
  
  

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