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Kaviyarasu Kannadasan Vs Kaviyarasu Vairamuthu

Topic started by mannAru (@ ns.arraycomm.com) on Fri Jan 16 22:33:09 EST 1998.
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• From: shaNmugam (@ 63.101.96.1) on: Tue Aug 28 22:27:23 EDT 2001
  
  udhayA and polappu,
  
  Thanks
  
  sk,
  
  Thanks a lot for the information.
  
  
• From: RangA (@ 64.209.142.190) on: Wed Aug 29 14:46:50 EDT 2001
  
  Sk, vaNakkam saar! romba naaL aachu paathu. that was a good piece of info about KaNNadasan and paattu paada vaa!!!
  ShaNmugam, you inspired me with that word play of paarvai-idai and paavai. En levelukku naan ezudhina poetry kELunga :-)
  
  kulungiya idayil sikkiyathu
  en lungi
  
  
• From: SL (@ 63.253.226.59) on: Thu Aug 30 05:01:07 EDT 2001
  
  Had to bring this up before I forgot. In the movie 'anubavi rAjA anubavi' there is a sequence where Nagesh and Muthuraman write some messages on a kite and fly it for their girl friends grab it and read. They do and sing
  mAn endru peNNukkoru pattam koduththAn
  manjaL vaNNa noolil (meaning thAli) katti izhuththAn.
  
  
• From: SL (@ 63.253.226.59) on: Thu Aug 30 05:06:35 EDT 2001
  
  kulungiya idayil sikkiyathu
  en lungi
  itharkku idayil nAn kulungi kulungi siriththEn.
  
  AhA!!!!!
  
  
  
  
  
  mElum,
  ungaL lungikku idai poruppu
  idaikku sAppAdu poruppu
  sAppAttirkku yAr poruppu ?
  Chee!!! intha kavithai enakkE pidikkalai
  
  
  
• From: RangA (@ 64.209.142.190) on: Thu Aug 30 14:18:13 EDT 2001
  
  SL, neengaLum (vairamuthuvum sErnthuthaan) ennai inspire paNNipputteenga! idho:
  
  kaalil iruppadhu seRuppu
  kaalippayalukku seRuppu
  kalyaaNa maNdapa seRuppu
  athai thiruduvathE en siRappu!!
  
  
• From: RangA (@ 64.209.142.190) on:
  
  Sorry it should have been:
  
  kaalil iruppadhu seRuppu
  kaalippayalukku seRuppu
  kalyaaNa maNdapa seRuppu
  kaLa vaaduvathE en siRappu!!
  
  
• From: a044gun (@ 208.132.249.249) on: Tue Sep 4 06:27:58 EDT 2001
  
  Friends,
  Need a Udavi... hope anyone of who reads this mail in this web site will hv web site for Vairamuthu and Kavingar Vali.. Pl provide me to my mail id gunponl@yahoo.co.in
  
  
• From: s.karthikeyan (@ ) on: Sat Sep 22 03:54:28 EDT 2001
  
  ellorukkum vanakkam
  plz dont compare kannadasan and vairamuthu for god sake.vairamuthu padalgallal sadikkathathai avarudaya kavithigal sadithu vittathu.read thanner thesam and kallikattu ithihasam every one will accept my sayings.
  
  
• From: JEEVAN SUPRAMANIAM (MALAYSIA) (@ ) on: Wed Oct 17 06:46:56 EDT 2001
  
  kaviyarasu kannadasan kaalam mudinthu vittathu.avar nammai vittu pirinthu vittaar.Avar kavithaigal yavum saagavaram kondavaithan ,oppukolgiren. aanaal avarayum kavi perarasayum kalam kaana seyya koodathu.karanam kaviperarasu nammodu innum ilamayudan valgirar.avarin intha vayathirkul kaviyarasu ithanai sathanai padaithiruparaa enbathu kelvithan.innum vairamuthu avargal kavithai ulagil pala athirvugalai tharuvaar.thamizh moliyai innum salavai seivaaar.en valkayil paditha puthagathai meendum meendum salikaamal padithenendral athu vairamuthuvin kavithaigalthan."konji kulaviuvatharkum,amma endralaipatharkum nyayitru kilamai varum nallaaavale nee uranggu ." enna arputhamana varigal.athey velayil kalathirketra karuthu.SIRPIYE UNNAI SETHUKUGIREN
  puthagathai ovvoru ilainyanum karaithu kudikka vendum.ovvoru ilainyan athai padikum poluthu avanukaagave eluthiyathupol thondrum.THOPPAI KILIYO, THOPPAI MUYALO KANDATHUNDA?ennaye keli seitha varigalagaa karuthinen karanam enakum thoppai undu.ORUVANUKU ORUTHI UNAKU VAARTHAI PURAVUKU VALKAI.enna varigal.enave aanitharamaga koorugiren nam vairamuthu innum pala athiradikavithaigalai thamilukku valangguvaar.nam perapillaigal intha iru kaviyarasugalukkum patti mandram nadathattum.naam nadatha vendaam.
  
  
• From: Uthaya (@ ) on: Fri May 10 03:01:43 EDT 2002
  
  Alagu pirai netriel
  ammavasai nilavetharkku
  
  ennaval nettriel
  karuppu pottu
  
  
• From: Raji (@ 203.166.96.235) on: Fri May 10 10:23:16 EDT 2002
  
  The songs from Jeans the lines "Iduppukku melae Bhramma kanchanadi, Kaluthukku Keelae Bramma vallaladi" like this.........This lines were stolen from Malayala Kavithai by VM. KD never steals as CtrlX, CtrlV.
  
  
• From: ash (@ 12.5.196.254) on: Fri May 10 14:20:06 EDT 2002
  
  Well said Raji. My Opinion is that - KD need not be compared with this idiot VM
  
  
• From: NAGARAJAN (@ 209.58.26.20) on: Fri May 10 15:50:23 EDT 2002
  
  dear ash,
  please avoid using the worlds like 'idiot'
  
  
• From: kurankaatti (@ 171.159.128.10) on: Fri May 10 16:34:19 EDT 2002
  
  Raji:
  maasaru ponnE
  valampuri muththE
  kaasaru vithaiyE
  karumpE thEnE,
  Do you think this is from Kannadasan ?
  This is (exact words) taken from Silappathikaaram.
  
  
• From: ash (@ 12.5.196.254) on: Fri May 10 17:47:56 EDT 2002
  
  That song is from the movie "Poompuhar" -- Story, dialogues - Mu.Karunanidhi. That song was not by Kannadasan. Even then it is OK to take it from Silappathikaram since it was the original verse written by Ilangovadigal (Author of Silappathikaram)
  BTW -- Sorry Nagaraj (and everybody) -- Got a bit emotional.
  
  
• From: Raji (@ 203.166.96.234) on: Sat May 11 09:49:00 EDT 2002
  
  Ash
  u r right
  
  
• From: S.sengottuvel (@ ) on: Wed Jun 26 02:43:16 EDT 2002
  
  Sir,
  I am in age of 22,I dont know about Kannadasan,but from my childhood I hear vairamuthu's songs,I do think that there is something different in his approach of producing the situation to the fullest extent.his "vaarthai prayogam is outstanding for Mr.vairamuthu.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Wed Jun 26 04:14:29 EDT 2002
  
  To negate the thought that KKD would have struggled to pen thangLish kind of songs, we have an example from Niram Maaraadha PookkaL. The song is mudhan mudhalaaga kaadhal duet paada vandhaenae aen kaadhal paingiLiyae nee parandhu pogadhae. It had the "today's trend" of referring to the then popular heartthrobe Jeenathamman. Its really a fun song.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Wed Jun 26 04:15:27 EDT 2002
  
  Though i have given a song above, we still can discuss whether KKD would be so adapt in penning tanglish songs like what VM is doing now.
  
  
• From: Uthaman (@ 65.69.56.52) on: Wed Jun 26 09:24:09 EDT 2002
  
  Apt title would have been
  
  Everest vs Kolli Hills
  
  
• From: Nandini (@ 203.195.180.162) on: Sun Jun 30 02:27:39 EDT 2002
  
  "kaLam ondru, kaalanggaL vevEru,
  uraivaaL thuppaakki, oppeedu udhavaadhu"
  
  lines of VM which i'd like to quote on this issue. its the same war field, but its a different time period so you cant compare a sword with a AK-47.
  
  folks, i'd like to throw light on another issue.
  Time is the best filter. by now time has filtered all the stupid works of KKD. dont say he has not given any rubbish. at this point of time you see few rubbish works of VM and decide VM is not as good as KKD. any lyricist needs support from MD, DIrector the story and the situations built. KKD's period was a Golden period because there were strong stories and emotions for the situations in which songs occur. today the 75% of situations are 'hero sees heroine for first time and sings' 'heroine sings she is a free bird' 'hero is a college goer and sings with college friends teasing girls' and what would KKD have done at this point of time if he was alive. what did vaalee do in his second half of his life ? you know how big a writer is vaalee, his padagoatti and many of songs will talk about him. he was forced to sakkaravaLLi kezhanggu, mukkablaa, lux paappaa and so on.
  
  VM in his interview once said, even if Kavichakravarthi kamban was to write lyrics to movies, the situations would force kamban to write,
  "raaman kadaindhaan paarkkadalai,
  seedhai koriththaaL vErkkadalai "
  
  see, its true.
  
  you may feel like killing me if i say VM is a better lyric writer than KKD. yes i will say. at this moment many would have lost memories of 'take it easy' but 'ennavaLE adi ennavaLE' wud remain
  'paalakkaattu machchaanukku' has gone 'en mEl vizhundha' lives
  
  songs of sindhu bairavi, mudhal mariyaadhai, punnagai mannan, roja, uyirE, bombay all will live forever just like the best of KKD alone are surviving for us.
  
  take it singing nature, philosophy, love, giving scientific facts, modernity, innovation, variety i'll say VM is better than KKD.
  
  and to raji...
  the part you said was originally from a japanese hykoo, and this was said by VM in the audio release of the same movie.
  
  25 or 50 years from now,
  folks in TFM page would be saying this.
  
  because its a human tendency to acknowledge one after his lifetime.
  
  so better stop comparing,legends.
  
  sorry if i am harsh.
  
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Sun Jun 30 22:47:32 EDT 2002
  
  Nandini..VM is a great lyricist..What he is missing vis-a-vis is the philosophical depth in his songs..He probably can equal the emotional depth..VM is popular now ..he was very popular during my teens ..I liked/like his lyrics..but KKD I think is in a different class..Just my humble opinion. (See the KVM thread for some details)
  
  
• From: Nandini (@ 203.195.180.106) on: Mon Jul 1 01:08:58 EDT 2002
  
  sorry kiru,
  mine was a firm decision, and not a humble opinion. right from "kanavu kaanum vaazhkkai yaavum" to "thala keezhaa porakkiraan" VM has proved better philosophical writings than KKD.
  if you want i can list out all the philosophies of both and compare contrast them. but i am against comparing them, because I love them.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 64.173.9.199) on: Mon Jul 1 02:47:26 EDT 2002
  
  Nandini..what decision ? you also have an opinion maybe not a humble one, as you say, :). Fine, if we all just expressed our opinions, it does not add value to this forum. You really want to share your perspective on the works of your fav lyricist, MD or singer. Thats the idea behind having a forum like this. So go ahead and list the philosophical verses of VM. This way people can appreciate not just their favorites but others as well. Again, an humble opinion ..I do believe in 'humility is a virtue' :)
  
  
• From: Nandini (@ 203.195.181.126) on: Mon Jul 1 12:11:53 EDT 2002
  
  I must not have sounded that rude la...
  sorry kiru.
  
  it happens to me often.
  i am researching certain lyrics for a long time.
  for around 10 years.
  and just over expressed my feelings.
  
  real sorry if i had you hurt.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Mon Jul 1 17:37:52 EDT 2002
  
  No problem..Nandini. Are you going to publish your research ? In the KVM thread, Manisegaran, is doing a great job in chronicling KVM's work and life. Looks like overseas tamils do have a better appreciation for tamil than mainland tamils!!! (you from M'sia right ?)
  Anyways, can you elaborate on kanavu kaanum ? Whats the deal with the boat ? It sounds very interesting but how is it semantically connected with kalaindhu pOgum kOlangal ? Something to do with the character in the movie ?
  
  

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