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THERE HAS BEEN NO SONG IN HISTORY TO BEAT THE SURREAL AND MAGICAL TONE OF THIS SONG IN POOVIZHI VAASALILAE...

Topic started by Bhavna (@ 206.28.58.219) on Wed Jun 19 21:27:59 EDT 2002.
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Hey guys..I know that whenever you think of poovizhi vaasalilae, you remember "chinna chinna roja poove", and totally forget the song I'm talking about even existed in the movie. It's "Paattu inge...ra pa pa..." Ring a bell? It's where Sathyaraj took the cute little kid to a bar and these three ladies in red were singing and dancing, and he joins in. But anyways, out of all the great A.R. Rahman (and others) songs I've heard, there's never been one that has touched my heart so much. This song has a tint of sadness through the heavy 70's beat, and malaysia vasudevan's voice is like...butter! It's so lovely..and the lady's (I think p. saiylaja??) voice is so intoxicating I can't even describe it. And this sad/intoxic tone fits in so well with the story. If anyone can ever make a song as good as this one, (which no one but maybe Illayaraja can do) I owe them my soul! No one other than Illayaraja can do 70's disco/getting high/intoxic music- AR Rahman won't even try, cause he knows anyone other than his rival will fail at it.

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• From: naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Tue Jun 25 18:18:16 EDT 2002
  
  A gentle reminder to participants who are t-ing off Bhavna: The introduction does not solicit responses. And that's a good thing.
  Give her/him all the space they need :-)
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Tue Jun 25 19:15:01 EDT 2002
  
  "done similar 70's/80's style music with a sad quality to it"
  Bhavna, it seems IR usually uses the E minor (?) scale to compose his songs. This is supposed to impart a 'sad' tinge to the music. ARR's fav is G major (?) which has a more bubbly/gregarious feel to it. I dont know the technical details more than this to explain it to you.
  I also heard of the opinion that anything with a 'sad/melancholic' character is more likely to be remembered than a composition which is purely 'joyful/ebullient'. Hope this helps !!
  
  
• From: K (@ 68.80.34.204) on: Tue Jun 25 20:14:10 EDT 2002
  
  Pallavi is very catchy...but that alone is not enough for a song...anupallavi just sinks the song. Interludes repetitive-aa oru beat pattern irukku. Mathapadi outstanding-aa edhuvum illa. The middle stanzas are standard late 80's boring IR stuff. No wonder this song faded in time.
  
  
• From: To bhavana (@ 132.235.18.139) on: Tue Jun 25 20:15:42 EDT 2002
  
  Does Kannum kannum, Porale Ponathaaye, Netru Illadha, Yeh Jo Zindagi (1947 earth) ring any tone to u bhavana?
  
  
• From: thiru (@ 68.63.109.5) on: Tue Jun 25 22:37:03 EDT 2002
  
  Bhavna,
  good point that certain people visit the forum just to rebuke each other... but i also find that most of the people(i'm not referring to you here) who start a forum dont even listen to valid points and feel offended... and get into a mode where they say 'I am a music lover... not a IR fan or a ARR fan etc...'!!! I hope you dont belong to that group of ppl.I hope the point in you starting this forum was to share your thoughts with people... you should be open to their appreciation as well as their criticisms... if u think u need only people who appreciate your feelings, then u r in the wrong place....
  
  
• From: kk (@ 172.150.142.131) on: Tue Jun 25 23:38:50 EDT 2002
  
  nice song, Bhavna thats trademark raaja song. Some how like the surasamharam song too. Catchy yet retains the emotion.
  
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Wed Jun 26 00:39:51 EDT 2002
  
  "Pallavi is very catchy...but that alone is not enough for a song...anupallavi just sinks the song. Interludes repetitive-aa oru beat pattern irukku"
  
  ..You mean it will be a hit song today :)
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 213.150.188.44) on: Wed Jun 26 03:41:29 EDT 2002
  
  Kiru
  
  I feel MSV was using G Major-Hence you find more Harikambodhi based songs ;IR must have been using PREDOMINANTLY C Major as you see Sankarabarnam more.Being a WCM & CM trained musician he was using E Minor (Hanumathodi scale -prob a mindset to get a pathos song) and A Minor to get his favourites Keervani/Simendramadhyamam.Certainly he had lesser limitations that way when compared to other MDs.
  
  ARR i feel is using A Minor-the Natabhairavi scale.KVM must have used F Major for composing.
  
  Coming back to Bhavana
  
  Yes,Bhavana NO ONE could have composed that song other than IR.Because they had better jobs to do and better songs to compose!All the best to your archealogical surveys!
  
  
• From: Gunasekhar Rajadurai (@ 192.147.58.6) on: Wed Jun 26 07:40:08 EDT 2002
  
  OISG,
  
  Be it C major or G major or F major, the note intervals are the same. It is Sankarabaranam in all cases. Be it A minor or E minor or F minor, it is the same.
  
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 213.150.188.44) on: Wed Jun 26 07:53:35 EDT 2002
  
  Rajadurai
  
  I am just trying to fit in the theory San-Kara-thodi-Kal-Hari-Nata into the western piano style with all lower white(natual) keys.
  
  You are right and i am wrong.I should not have mentioned "Major".I should have mentioned that the basic C- "Sa" for the MDs are as follows (matching their vocals)
  MSV- G;ARR -A;KVM -F All white (Natural)keys you end upwith Harikambodhi,Natabairavi,Kalyani respectively.Thanx
  
  Konjam sodhapitten.Self-taught! Mannichukunga!
  
  
• From: Bhavna (@ 206.28.61.27) on: Thu Jun 27 14:37:04 EDT 2002
  
  I just want to remind you people that the name BHAVNA is spelled B-H-A-V-N-A. It's a Gujarathi name, and I would appreciate it if you would not spell it as the other "version" of it "bhavana"- I don't know if many of you have restaurants or hotels in mind when you're typing these responses, but I've spelled it the correct way, so don't feel too obligated to change it to Bhavana. (ok that was a little off topic there, but anyways...)
  
  The points made about E-minor and the major chords are interesting. A lot of Illayaraja's modern day songs are in major chords...hmmm maybe even just modern day songs in general have a more "major" feel to them, as the current themes are about love and family, etc...as opposed to let's say murder, drugs, and mystery in the 70's 80's. Yes, this song does take a turn in the verses where the guy sings, but I suppose that's coz Sathyaraj kinda interrupts those ladies' pre-composed song, and he does this "impromtu" thing...(well according to the movie).
  
  I try my best to take and respond to appreciations and criticisms productively. However, criticisms must be made with tact- therefore expressing one's opinion, as well as backing information behind it. Saying a "criticism" such as "they {other MD's} had better jobs to do and better songs to compose! All the best to your archealogical surveys!" does nothing but initiate sarcasm and disrespect in a distastful manner, as it is an opinion backed by no other helpful words to make it more understandable and acceptable to the reader.
  
  The fact that I said I am a music lover does not tie in any way to my love for any music director. Yes I do favor certain music directors at certain points in their music careers where they display their best work. AR Rahman has been excellent for creating many distinct songs, and so have others.
  
  Just as this discussion thread is about a specific song and not about people's appreciation for my feelings, etc, it is also not about my background in archeological studies, history, my music knowledge/career, or discussion/concern of my "insane appreciation" for the song.
  
  
• From: raja (@ 172.181.188.117) on: Thu Jun 27 15:12:52 EDT 2002
  
  Bhavna,
  
  Have you heard the song 'Megham kottatum, minnal vettatum, aatum undu'
  
  a song that i discovered recently. it totally bowled me over. I wish someone could give me musical analysis.
  
  
• From: O(pi)nion toOSIG (@ 209.130.217.102) on: Thu Jun 27 15:20:34 EDT 2002
  
  osig,
  as kiru, IR uses more Eminors.
  Some of his major scores are in this e-minor scale :)
  One reason being that might be his natural vocal scale when he sings. E minor....niladhu, then pandi, valaioosai, thuliyele, many more.
  The tone mentioned in the topic is true, violin+viola combination. The tone+music clearly shows some pathos and explains the kids situtation. I would also congradulate the director (Fasil ?) to get it out.
  
  
  Regarding msv...oh! i need not tell you., it is a game show to find the scale until you hear about 8 or 16 bars, my view is this man never exposes his key note for quite some time.
  "thalaiya suthaviduvar", before we could get the scale he would have changed something drastically and unexpected in the score. Best execerise for new learners is to disect a msv pallavi's and saranam, there had been circumstances where he has composed different saranams for male and female.
  inge SL or sriram nu oruthar varuvar, keeta solluvar, but he is missing these days.
  
  
• From: DINESH (@ 194.54.238.10) on: Thu Jun 27 17:02:48 EDT 2002
  
  BHAVNA I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU,ITS A SONG WHICH I WOULD RATE AS ONE OF RAAJA'S BEST COMPOSITIONS.ITS A VERY UNIQUE CONBINATION OF MELODY WITH A FAST WESTERN BEAT.UR WASTING UR TIME TRYING TO EDUCATE PEOPLE OF RAAJA'S GREAT COMPOSITIONS ,ALL THESES DUMB AS*HOLES ARE ARR FANS,DOES THE DONKEY ,ARR AND HIS FANS KNOW THE SMELL OF CAMPHOR
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Thu Jun 27 17:58:40 EDT 2002
  
  O(pi)nion/OISG ithu maathiri nalla vishayagaL ellAm pEsAma En neenga ellAm niraiya nEram goof off pannareenga ? :)
  Some more explanation on mapping raagams to the western scale will help some music gnana soonyams like me more :)
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 132.235.18.139) on: Thu Jun 27 20:15:31 EDT 2002
  
  Though Note intervals are same for Cmajor or C#major, or Cminor or C#minor, composers do make a difference between the key signatures. First reason is the ease of singing.
  
  Second is because of the instrument used. Not all instruments have the range of a piano, and hence cannot play all the notes. For example, why I think Sangeetha megam is in Bb minor is may be becos of the trumpet and the other brass instrument used in that.
  
  
  Also, one would want to make the best use of an instrument. Suppose a melody in the key of G has the notes G-D-D-G (G being in the lower octave than D), a violinst would use the two left-most open strings to play that (violin is tuned G D A E left to right). Then he is just using the bow, without pressing the strings. But a violinst would have more control, and be more expressive when he is pressing the strings, and thus he would want to play the same melody in the key of G# as G#-D#-D#-G#. Thus here I wud determine the key signature to be G# than G.
  With a guitar, certain licks or fingering patters are easy and unique on open strings, and thus u wud go for the key signature that gives u chords that can be played with open strings. For example, in the progression form Aminor to Cmajor, a common technique is to play the notes A-B-C (on the fifth string) as a bass fill in. That pattern is easier with Am-C, than with Bm-D. (Of course u can use a capo, thats an advantage with guitar). Thus in this example, I wud determine the key signature to be a Cmajor than Dmajor.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Sun Jun 30 23:05:50 EDT 2002
  
  This should help http://www.chordwizard.com/theory.html
  
  

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