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Creativity of MSV

Topic started by RAJAN (@ proxy-117.iap.bryant.webtv.net) on Sat Jan 10 15:32:47 EST 1998.
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• From: e.hari (@ abd6058e.ipt.aol.com) on: Sat Jun 19 10:50:23 EDT 1999
  
  sriram lakshman,
  Digression:
  Regarding RDB, I have not listened all of it, but
  I do listen his popular ones. To me Yahodhiki bharat, I dont know what u call, the
  string selections, or the rhthym selections sound
  very similiar in all the songs, ala like 'suraka dil mear'. Ditto for hum kisike kum nahi. I know I am sounding very vague here, But my little music vocabulary, I cant go any furhter. I prefer LP's arrangements to RDB, any time.
  I like all the songs in nalai namathe. What about
  ' Naan oru medai padagan', it is missing in the caseette, I got.
  
  There is another novel song from MSV, which still
  amazes me. It is 'oru raja raniyidum' from sivantha mann. I think there 5 different saranams, each with different interlude, and still the song flows like a river. May be you or
  srikanth can explain the technical side of this song.
  
  I have listened to the song you mentioned in palani, it is a great song, but we can't ignore the TKR contribution in that song.
  
  hari
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-233.il.us.ibm.net) on: Sat Jun 19 10:56:55 EDT 1999
  
  Sriram, great information.
  It is high time we put a website for MSV.
  
  Talking about 'Engiruntho AasaigaL' (chandrodayam
  We use to perform in our band, (Alapana)
  you should be knowing Vijay kumar, I use play along with him.
  I love to play the bass parts in that song. MSV has given many excellent bass scores, which are often unheard due to poor recording equipment.
  
  Also regarding MSV/SPB relationship, it is more like father and son. I have seen them together in plenty of recordings. SPB opinion is a open one, we all know he is a clear musician and has good name in the past, egoless person who has worked with MSV --- till now, He started his music life in 1968 for Shanti nilayam, where us raja came only in 1975 and became busy during 80's. Spb had already 12 yrs of industry experience when raja used him.
  Beside he was the only singer in the telugu field at that time. All most all the songs in telugu was sung by spb.
  
  IR used spb skills, thats it. It is totally absurd, childish to say SPB grew up because of IR
  Let us igonore it and start discussing more in MSV.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-233.il.us.ibm.net) on: Sat Jun 19 11:04:00 EDT 1999
  
  e.hARI, Raja raniyiedam, infact has 3 different beats, sudddenly he changes to walz 3/5 from 4/4, later shifts to 6/8 and then comes back to 4/4 Frankly, take the song, in japanil kalyanaraman, "appa appa mayajalama" was used to show expo 80 but Take ulagam in ulagam suttrum valiban which roars a huge string section runs while showing expo70. I feel IRs score is now where near the grandness and dimention that MSV gave, the music, arrangement etc etc make us feel we are in expo70 along with MGR. Especially the opening score, hats off to MSV. Many good scores are often forgotton.this is one of them.
  
  
• From: e.hari (@ abd6058e.ipt.aol.com) on: Sat Jun 19 11:06:29 EDT 1999
  
  srikanth,
  Though I agree with you on SPB being senior to IR, Still SPB did grow along with IR in 80s. Take
  s.janaki for example, she was in the industry for
  almost 20 years, before IR came. but all the respect, now SJ got is, because of IR, and it is true for SPB too. But IR did try to use lot of new singers in late 70s like JC, MV and others, but still he had to settle with SPB for obvious reaons.
  
  hari
  
  
• From: raja (@ spider-te034.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Jun 19 11:37:42 EDT 1999
  
  Hari:
  
  Digression:
  
  I too think that IR was the reason Janaki got the opportunity to shine. IR dominated the music scene after MSV and SBP was peaking during 80s.
  
  
• From: Raja Fan (@ spider-wd044.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Jun 19 12:01:57 EDT 1999
  
  Kaathal Raajyam enadhu song in Vasantha Maligai, all songs in Ulagam Suttrum Valibhan, Idhakkani (selvaem undha paer ennavo, un idhayakkani... is there any song an equivalent of this one from any other composer?) Oru Raja Raniyidam are types of songs no other composer has composed anywhere in the world. That is why I place MSV a few rungs higher than Salil Choudhry even. MSVs variety and command over melody content is so advanced and is really far ahead of the understanding of the current generation of music lovers. However, IR admits that he is only a magician who works with the seven notes. Even though Raja's melodies are weak, it is amazing that he captivates the listener with the illusions he creates in each song.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-184.il.us.ibm.net) on: Sat Jun 19 12:54:02 EDT 1999
  
  Ehari, you are righy SJ/Chitra/Swarna latha, grew up bcos of Raja.No doubt IR domiated after msv's tenure. As Arr domiates now after ir's tenure.
  
  
  Rajafan and others.
  I agree, but please post this in Raja's creativity, we are discussing MSV's creativity.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Sat Jun 19 14:47:10 EDT 1999
  
  Srikanth adn all other MSV fans:
  
  I have revivied the thread of "Why not discuss MSV-TKR hits again?". My request to all is that you please try to enlist the great songs of him in it. It would be of great help to those of my likes i.e avid collectors.
  
  thx
  
  MS
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ proxy2.stg.prodigy.net) on: Sat Jun 19 15:47:09 EDT 1999
  
  Guys, if you are interested in telugu songs, listen to 'Kadile Megama' (by SPB for MSV) in the site www.chakri.co.uk. Superb number, SPB was going into raptures in 'Padutha Theeyaga' program after a participant rendered this song.
  
  Srikanth,Raja ..have you not heard the other song I mentioned, 'Ulagam engum ore mozhi' from nadodi? Please do try and grab this song if you have not.
  
  Raja, glad that you like 'Naan unnai cherntha selvam' , a supremely romantic number. This also had 2 different tunes for the same santham. I actually brought up this feature of his compositions when I met him last year and his reply was, in all such cases, 'it happened' and that was all. He proceeded to give me some more examples himself, like 'mathana Maaligayil', 'ChinnavaLai mugam sivanthavaLai' etc. He also said that when he composed the tune for 'Sinthu nathiyin..', he consciously kept reminding himself of Bharathiyaar's meesai and 'mundasu' , only to infuse his spirit into the tune.
  
  Has anybody heard 'azhagu oru raagam' (by PS) from padagotti ? Unfortunately, 'thottal poo malarum', naan oru kuzhanthai' etc. overshadowed this brilliant number. Superb arrangement & tune for a vampish number. Even his 'club dance' numbers where rich in melody , standing testimonies 'Sorgam pakkathil' from Enga mama (this had one of the longest preludes ever), 'Pattathu RaaNi' from Sivantha MaNN, 'Suvai ethile' from 'Parakkum paavai'. Who can forget the waltz number 'KalyaaNa naaL paarka sollalaama' from PP ?
  
  Srikanth, I would only love to contribute to MSV's web-site. I will try and compile a list of movies MSV scored for unofficially (when CR Subburaman was in his death-bed). The musical hit 'Devadas' and 'Chandi Rani' (remember vaan meethile inba then maari peyuthe, the mother of 'vaa VeNNila') are the movies I know of, before Jenova (MGR) and paNam happened.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Sat Jun 19 18:35:51 EDT 1999
  
  SL:
  
  Can you help enlist the great hits of MSV ?
  
  Regards
  
  MS
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ proxy2.sch.prodigy.net) on: Sun Jun 20 02:19:55 EDT 1999
  
  Digression :
  Raja, RDB's best pahadi was 'Is mod se jathe hain' from 'Aandhi'. He had superb songs in Yaman 'Jhoome pawan','Naam gum jayega' (our Kalyani), Bhairavi 'O mere dil ke chain' (our Hanumathodi) etc. Certainly one of the best composers. ARR, to some extent has RDB's thirst for innovation and sounding different. RDB's best attempt at experimenting with a new structure for film songs was 'Aaja Aaja meri' sung by SPB.
  End Digression.
  
  MSV's best in Pahadi was 'KaNNukku kulam ethu' from Karnan.
  
  MS, the list is far too big as his consistency was very high. MSV was the first MD to introduce 'mood music' eg:- VeNNiraadai. The songs are Chithirame solladi (PBS, SJ)
  Yenna Yenna vaarthaigaLo (PS)
  Neeradum kaNNgaL inge (PS)
  Oruvan Kaathalan (PBS , PS)
  Yennenbathenna (LRE)
  I have not listed all of them. Listen to these songs and give me your feedback. A touch of grandeur, aristocracy in all the above songs. Puthiya paravai had similar 'sounding' songs based on the mood,the famous 'Enge nimmathi',Paartha gnaabagam illayo, Chittukkuruvi mutham koduthu, Mella nada mella nada etc.
  You could start with Devadas where the most romantic Kalyani is used to express sorrow as in 'thuNinthapin maname thuyaram koLLathe' sung by Ghantasala.
  For revolutionary music (as of those times)
  Yaar antha nilavu (Shanthi)
  Expresses pathos, Sivaji in a reflective mood
  VaNNakkiLi sonna mozhi (thai sollaithattathe)
  A MGR joyful duet set to a swing beat laced with piano.
  Paruvam yenathu paadal (Aayirathil oruvan)
  Superb chorus in the interludes and super percussion arrangement with an arabic/islamic touch.
  Thoothu sella oru thozi (pachai viLakku)
  A superb tune set to a raggae beat. Very innovative usage of Saranga in the interludes.
  Ithazh mottu virinthida (bantha paasam) &
  PaadinaaL oru paattu (oru thai makkaL)
  Seconds used for the first time in TFM.
  
  The famous 'Raajavin paarvai' from Anbe vaa. Scale changes introduced for the first time.
  
  Have you heard 'KaNN moodum veLayilum kalai yenna kalaye' sung by AMR (for MGR) and PS in 'Mahadevi' ? The song starts in Mohanam and then ends up in Kalyani. This charanam structure for a Mohanam song (atleast the starting portion) is used until today. IR used it in 'Ponnula ponnula paNNina mookuthi','Poothu poothu kulunguthadi poovu' etc and many more and Deva in 'ANNamala ANNamala'.
  
  I have chosen just some songs that had some feature introduced for the first time in TFM (the unes are superb too). As I said earlier, there are far too many brilliant melodies to be listed down. We could take them up as we go by.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: bb (@ compq1.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Sun Jun 20 03:20:11 EDT 1999
  
  SL, Seconds used for the first time in TFM. can u explain?
  
  
• From: R.Parameswaran (@ brk-23-22.tm.net.my) on: Sun Jun 20 09:38:11 EDT 1999
  
  M.S.V. ( Music Supremo Viswanathan) was a household name during the golden era of Tamil films. Whether with another maestro TKR or solo
  he was virtually ruling TFM.
  The trio combination of MSV, Poet Laureate Kannadhasan and the only Tamil singer ,whose voice was a true reflection of his name TMS
  ruled TFM from the 50's to 70's.
  Among the many hits of MSV songs from :
  Pazhum Pazamum,Pavamanipu,Dheiva Thaai,En Kadamai , Enga Veetu Pillai, Ayirathil Oruvan,Anbe Vaa ,Puthia Paravai,Kalangarai Villakam, Neelavaanam,Nee,Avan than Manithan ,Avan Oru Saritharam,Meenava Nanban and the alltime blockbuster Ulagam Sutrum Valibhan and etc.
  
  Songs like Paalirukkum, Intha punnagai,Penn ponal ,Meeney meeney meenma,Rajavin paarvai, En manathu ondruthan, and all songs from USV especially Oh my Darling which was omitted from USV.
  
  He is also a great singer.Earlier days he was humming in songs under the name of MS Raju.
  The songs are Neeye Unakkum Endrum (Baley Pandiya) Nenjathile Nee(Santhi),Mallar Endra Mugam(Kathalikka Neramillai)Varusha Masam(Maniyosai)Koduka Koduka (Naan Anaittal)Naan Nandri Solvein(Kuzhantheiyum Dheivamum)etc.
  
  Later he started to sing full numbers under his own name. Namely AllaH allah(Thuglak),Nee ninaithal(Nilave Nee Saatchi),Sollathan Ninaikeren,Enakkoru Oru Kathali (Muthana Muthallavo) song in Kathal Mannan and the latest in Sangamam under ARR.Who can forget
  the combination with Isaignani in Mella Thiranthu Kathavu?
  
  Probably he is the only music director whose
  composition of music are all hits even today with the emergence of new music directors who infuse music with state of art tech.
  
  Other music directors very rarely produce all hits in the movies,only certain songs can become hits.But MSVs songs are all super hits.
  
  
• From: Dhakshana (@ brk-23-22.tm.net.my) on: Sun Jun 20 09:55:41 EDT 1999
  
  Here is a brief write up of MSV. This is for info of his fans.
  
  MSV has come a long way since his impoverished younger days when,at the age of seven,he was employed to serve milk and biscuits for the richer pupils who attended a music school in Kanannoor,Kerala.
  
  The younger boy was forced to discontinue his studies because he was too poor but that did not dampen his childhood passion for music.
  
  Eager to learn , he hung about the corridors of the music school where he worked,and learnt the basics of classical music by listening to the teachers lecture their pupils.
  
  One day before the assembly, he just began to play one of the harmoniums in the school.Unknowing to him ,the head of the school heard him play and was impressed that a poor boy like him was so interested in music.
  
  From the music school of Kanananoor bloomed
  a king of music. The rest is history .
  
  
  
  
  

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