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Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 4: Vaarththai Prayoagam

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on Thu Jul 23 21:34:25 EDT 1998.
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For a good understanding of how to approach this ongoing symposium, please refer to the thread, "Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 1:Iyarkai Varnanai" before you post. Let me reiterate that this is not a patti mandram, but
a research symposium.
Please show TFM examples of both poets with regards to just theirVaarththai Prayoagam for this thread. By vaarththai prayoagam, we mean captivating use of language, word play, different use of a known word, vocabulary, etc. Please provide the name of the song whose lines you excerpt and the name of the movie if known.

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• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate5.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Wed Jul 29 16:30:45 EDT 1998
  
  Radha Sanjay,
  
  I think
  thaamaraik kannangaL, thEn malar kiNNangaL.. is by Vaali from the film (if I am correct) Edhir N-eechal.
  
  Ramki, Pagalavan, Udhaya can you confirm this???
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Pagalavan (@ bbn-cache-3.cisco.com) on: Wed Jul 29 17:21:38 EDT 1998
  
  Prakash Balakrishnan
  
  Yes, you are right about thAmaraik kannangaL. Its by vAli and its from ethir nEEchchal
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Wed Jul 29 17:50:18 EDT 1998
  
  elumbarae,
  I agree with all your selections except the one under Yo_Yo_pattu where you have given the classic song from Nenjil Or Aalayam. This song is not quite a good example of word play because it is just rhyming. This is undoubtedly a great song though, maybe you should use it for the "situational songs" topic where it will be more appropriate. Just a thought, what do others think about this?
  I would like to stress again that this thread is to show unique play on words, language, vocabulary , etc.
  
  
• From: Pagalavan (@ bbn-cache-3.cisco.com) on: Wed Jul 29 19:30:13 EDT 1998
  
  Some more lines of VM that we can appreciate for the choice of words that add to the kavinayam are:
  
  muththam tharum EEram pathinthirukkum..
  mullai iLam pOOveduththu mugamthudaikkum..
  :
  :
  bOthai koNdu pOO azhaikka
  thEdi vanthu thEn edukka.. (song : "isai mEdaiyil..intha vELaiyil..")
  
  In another song (Ayiram thAmarai mottukkaLE), VM has used the following lines in silEdai (the first line, I think) :
  
  ingu reNdu jAthi malligai
  pOttukkoLLum kAthal paNdigai
  kOvilil kAthal thozhigai
  
  He also adds another description of the lovers in the same song as :
  
  pulveLiyin mEEthu reNdu pOOmAlai
  onRai onRu sOOdum ithu ponvELai..
  
  Needless to say the line adikkadi thAgam vanthu ALaik kudikkum too is rich in kavinayam
  
  Description of lovers who separate and rejoin is very nice in the lines:
  
  jOdi nathigaL pAthai vilagich sErnthana
  kathai pEsina..
  iru karai muzhuthum ini malar vaLarum..
  
  I have always liked the way VM described about a muthal iravu in a different style:
  
  muthan muthalAp pArkkumpOthu
  achchamAga irukkum.. AnA
  vidinja piRagu viLakkil eNNai
  michchamAga irukkum (song : "ALAnAlum ALu..")
  
  In another song, VM describes about munthAnaich siRai mostly suited to the situation, I think:
  
  adadA munthAnai siRaiyAnathu
  athuvE envAzhvin muRaiyAnathu..
  pARai onRin mElE - oru
  pOOvAy muLaiththAyE
  uRavukku uyirthanthAyE..
  
  Few other lines of VM which have the good impact due to choice of words are:
  
  pOOvE..iLaiya pOOvE
  varamtharum vasanthamE
  :
  :
  kuzhal vaLarnthu alaiyAnathE
  iravugaLin izaiyAnathE..
  
  un vAsalil ennaik kOlamidu
  illai enRAl oru sAbamidu.. (song : "EEramAna rOjAvE..")
  
  thEnE
  kangaikku Enintha thAgam?
  nathigaL virainthAl kadalum vazhividum.. (song : "pAda vanthathOr..")
  
  pAthai thadumARum
  ithu bOthai mazhaiyAgum
  munthAnai vAsam EthO sugam.. (song : "pOOvAdaikkARRu..")
  
  alaiyil mithakkum mAthuLai
  ivaL brammadEvan sAthanai.. (song : "nathiyil Adum..")
  
  More later..
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Wed Jul 29 20:06:39 EDT 1998
  
  Song: hai rabba; Film: Jeans
  VM sees flowers as standing on one leg , as in "ottraik kaal thavam" to reach her beautiful hair:
  
  ottraikkaalilae pookkal nirppathu
  un koondhalil nindraadaththaan
  
  
  Song: Chandhiranai: Film: Ratchagan
  In this song VM shows the difference in the awareness of lovers brought on by love:
  
  pookkalai sedi kodiyin porul
  endru ninathirundhaen
  poovai unnaip parthapinnae
  pookkalin mozhi arindhaen
  thalaiyanai enbathu
  thalaikkendru ninaithirundhaen
  thalaivanai pirindhapinnae
  thaliyanai thunai arindhaen
  
  in this following stanza he shows the transformation of the lovers' personality since they found love
  
  theeppantham pondravan naan
  theebamaai aagivittaen
  puyalukku pirandhaval naan
  thendral endru aagivittaen
  karungallaip poandravan naan
  karpooram aagivittaen
  
  thaamarai malar kondu
  udal seitha oaviyamae
  ennudal baaram mattum
  eppadi thaangukiraai?
  
  the following lines do a nice update on the proverb, "kodikku kai baarama"
  
  meengalaich chumappathondrum
  neerukku baaramillai
  kadhalaich chumakkayilae
  kaadhalanum baaramillai
  . . .
  sorgaththirkku vandhu vittoam
  tharkkaththirku naeramillai
  
  tharkkaththirku a rarely used word also fits as a nice rhyme to sorgaththirkku
  
  Song: nenjae nenjae; Film: Ratchagan
  These lines are spoken by a woman to console her lover that their separation isn't permanent.
  Here VM uses a superb imagery where he sees sunset as a seed going down and sunrise as the blossom:
  
  asthamanam ellam
  nirandharam alla
  maerkkil vidhaithaal
  kizhakkil mulaikkum
  
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Wed Jul 29 21:36:37 EDT 1998
  
  Song: oru naal; Film: Andhimanthaarai
  Notice the simple language used by VM to show a villager's sentiment about fate:
  
  Kaaviri nadhiyum
  rendaagak koodum
  kollidam vandhu
  onnaagach chaerum
  kaalaththin kanakkai
  yaar kaanak koodum
  
  . . .
  the following lines describe the aging body and the ageless love:
  
  neendamudi konjam
  niram maarippoachchu
  sanguk kuzhiyodu
  kural maarippoachchu
  koadi vayasachchu
  uru maarippoachchu
  ninappathu mattum thanae
  maaraama irukku
  
  
  In these following lines from the same song, VM shows the devotion and depth of a peasant woman's love for her man:
  
  ennachchuththi oru koottam
  sirikkindra poadhum
  unnappaththi en uthadu
  oayaamap paesum
  kaaththu mazhai ethanaalum
  karaiyaathu paasam
  kattaiyilum vaegaathu
  kai thotta vaasam
  
  
  Song: sakiyae; Film: Andhimandhaarai
  I debated long whether to save this for the "samuthaaya seerthiruththa/puratchi paadalgal" topic for which this is perfectly suited, but the expert build up of logic in the use of words creeps up on the listener to a great effect in each stanza that I had to include it here:
  
  
  boomiyaik kaetta vaanmugil thoovum
  pookkalaik kaetta vandugal paadum
  veethiyaik kaetta thendralum veesum
  saathiyaik kaetta kaadhalum thondrum
  
  kaadhalin raajjiyaththil visiththira vazhakkam
  kangalai vaangikkondu idhayaththai kodukkum
  oarvizhip paarvai uyiraiyum edukkum
  maruvizhip paarvai uyiraiyum kodukkum
  iru viral theendinaal saathiyum thadukkum
  idhayaththaith theendinaal edhu nammaith thadukkum
  
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ sf-dnpqd-022.compuserve.net) on: Wed Jul 29 23:12:10 EDT 1998
  
  Hi Guys!!
  Have you heard this song written by KD,
  
  Oru poojyathukkulle rajiyathai aandukondu puriyamale iruppaan oruvan
  avanai purinthu kondal avanthan iraivan
  Mutrum kasanthathu endru patraruthu nirkum pothu
  sutram ena nindriruppaan oruvan
  avanai thodarnthu sendral avan than iraivan
  
  Beautiful usage of words. Any idea which movie this is from and who scored the music ?
  
  
  
• From: Only_One (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Thu Jul 30 01:17:09 EDT 1998
  
  Sriram Lakshman:
  
  poojiyam song is from vaLar piRai
  MD ???
  
  Udhaya:
  "situational songs" topic ???? I didn't know
  such a topic is coming to this symposiyum!!!
  
  About the YO-YO pAttu - I liked the first 4 lines
  I posted which refered "param poruL" for GOD (??)
  and "paRavai" for UYIR - then I continued the
  songs for the rhyming.
  
  Pagalavan:
  
  About "pAl thamiz pAl" from Ragasiya Police 115
  I am not very sure - but me & annAr feel it is
  by Kannadasan (enna ithu MGR padam enbathAl
  konjam Udhaya-kithu...oops udhaikithu)
  
  Topic:
  
  lovers ellAm SRI RAMANA - oruvanukku oruthi -
  endRu irukkanum endRu solli azugirAl ivaL....
  
  iravukku 1000m kaNgaL
  pagalukku ondRE ondRu
  (pagalava! nee illaiDA)
  
  aRivukku 1000m kaNgaL
  uRavukku ondRE ondRu
  
  kaNakkil kaNgaL iraNdu - avai
  kANum kAtchi ondRE ondRu
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ host16.globalcenter.net) on: Thu Jul 30 02:21:44 EDT 1998
  
  bones, you raised a good point about not knowing about other topics in the symposium. I just assumed that everybody knew this. The ten topics for the symposium were lined out in the first topic. Let me post it here again for those who join us in the middle of the symposium. I will remember to post it in all future topic threads as well.
  Here are the categories to judge both poets by giving examples of lyrics they wrote for TFM:
  1)Iyarkai Varnanai
  2)Kaadhal Paadalgal
  3)Thaththuva Paadalgal
  4)Vaarthai Prayoagam
  5)Nagaichchuvai Paadalgal
  6)Samudhaaya Seerthirutha / Puratchi Paadalgal
  7)Vingyaana/Naveena Karuthoottum Paadalgal
  8)Ilakkiya Moolam Ulla Paadalgal
  9)Kadhaikku Porundhiya Paadalgal(situational songs)
  10)Kavidhai Milekarkal (Poetic Milestones that the poets will be remembered by!)
  
  
• From: anbu_nA_innAbA (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Thu Jul 30 03:15:23 EDT 1998
  
  KaNNadAsan describes about LOVE - not the kAdhal
  (for a change!!!)
  
  madhathin meethu vaiththa ANBU bakthi Anathu
  manithan meethu vaiththa ANBU pAsam Anathu
  idhayam meethu vaiththa ANBU uNmai Anathu
  Ezai meethu vaiththa ANBU karuNai Anathu
  
  the same song continues to...
  
  aRivu illAtha manithar uLLam aruL illAthathu
  aruL illAtha manithar uLLam panivu illAthathu
  paNivu illAtha manithar uLLam paNbu illAthathu
  paNbu illAtha manithar uLLam anbu illAthathu
  
  padam: Asai alaigaL pAttu: anbu enbathE theivamAnathu..
  
  
  
• From: Arvind (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Jul 30 08:07:52 EDT 1998
  
  Here are some examples of VM's word play -
  
  In the song Pani vizhum malarvanam from NinaivellAm nithyA, he writes thus :
  
  Pani vizhum malarvanam
  Un pArvai oru varam
  Ini varum munivarum
  ThadumAdum kani maram...
  
  
  Note how VM combines the two words ini varum munivarum to describe the beauty of the malarvanam .
  
  Here is another example of vArthai prayOgam :
  
  In this song from SippikkuL muthu :
  
  
  ... idhazhil thodangu
  enakkuL adangu
  sugangaL iRu madangu...
  
  
  The words thodangu and adangu , which instruct the beloved to derive pleasure, have been beautifully woven with madangu to convey the sensuousness of the theme.
  
  

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