Topic started by RAJAN (@ proxy-122.iap.bryant.webtv.net) on Thu Jan 22 22:20:06 EST 1998.
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A new Ilayaraja album is a cause for celebration with many among us. Let everyone share in the revelry. Review, discuss or comment on new IR albums.
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- From: fyi (@ 68.97.168.128)
on: Sun Dec 1 19:19:07 EST 2002
Anu,
Have Dinamani open in one window and open/refresh Cinemaexpress link in the other. It should work. But sometimes it doesn't:)
- From: Deepak (@ 219.65.98.184)
on: Sun Dec 1 20:25:37 EST 2002
Sabesan,
There is a lot of difference in doing "mugastuthi" and meaning what you say. In this case, I think Bala was really serious about what he was saying.
- From: Love Music (@ 203.44.55.70)
on: Sun Dec 1 21:43:13 EST 2002
Watched "Solla Marantha Kathai" lastnight. Really enjoyed the movie. We were desperate for a good tamil movie after watching some of our so called high profile deepavali releases. Really enjoyed the BGM as well. One most important thing about the movie is the "Tamil" aspects of it. Its so Tamil i really enjoyed everything about the movie.
Well done to Thagar Bachchan and Illayaraja
- From: Love Music (@ 203.44.55.70)
on: Sun Dec 1 21:43:30 EST 2002
Watched "Solla Marantha Kathai" lastnight. Really enjoyed the movie. We were desperate for a good tamil movie after watching some of our so called high profile deepavali releases. Really enjoyed the BGM as well. One most important thing about the movie is the "Tamil" aspects of it. Its so Tamil i really enjoyed everything about the movie.
Well done to Thangar Bachchan and Illayaraja
- From: S.P MAHENDRAN (@ 161.139.38.51)
on: Sun Dec 1 22:09:36 EST 2002
Raja is best ever music director which one India and this world must proud.He is a born genius.Raja sir like to leave a very simple life.I like our Maestro very much.What a great achievement.Our Musical Raja is gifted from god.Nobody can match or compare with him.He can create his own tunes.Not just like other MD who like to use foreign or western tunes.Somebody transfer direct and someone take a little bit.I really hate this kind of music director.Raja is really very very different from this MD all.He is very much talented.He can do what others can't do.Well done Raja.I like your music very much.
- From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126)
on: Mon Dec 2 02:44:02 EST 2002
"hmm..... eppadi thaan when IR was in peak, the directors and producers use to make him look like a GOD.... i wish they stop those things..... i have never seen MR or BR making IR look like a god, but they did show their respect..... wish the other directors follow this...."
I feel there is a difference between Bala's those words and other sychophant directors' words on IR. Bala's was what Vamsy's in telegu filmdom. It was like Mahendran's words for "UdhirippookkaL".
- From: S.P MAHENDRAN (@ 161.139.38.51)
on: Mon Dec 2 22:21:05 EST 2002
http://www.intamm.com/movies/history/history5.htm
- From: Are Yaar (@ 203.115.31.67)
on: Mon Dec 2 22:47:53 EST 2002
>>>As a human all artists has inspirations and tendency of repeat their ideas. The question is how less one has got inspired(degree of inspiration and frequency of inspiration) and how long they could give work with less recycle is of paramount importance.
It depend on how look at it. If you say that I will only accept one piece as inspiration when you prove it in internet thru links then that is one way of reducing the numbers. I have said one thing before, if getting inspired from African folk song is a crime then getting inspired from Indian and mainly south Indian folk song and composing a song based on that is equally a crime. Many of IRs inspirations have been of this kind. He himself has acknowledged that in many places. We have the famous issue with Padma subramaniam over the Mullum Malarum film.
See, I don't want to pick a fight here. I don't have probs with Inspiration. As long as you put your bit into it then its as good as original. IR , ARR stand in this league. The problem comes when people selectively attack some one and hide the other. The method of music composition has changed over times. Its more like fit the best into places.
When "Kaadal Kanirasame" was composed, there was a similar popular karnatic song by Saint Thyagaraja (I forgot the wordings...I am not a carnatic guy). Would you call that a copy or inspiration or what. I will call that a great improvisation and leave at that.
Same with "Sollayo vai thirandhu" from Mogamul. A great song in Shanmuga priya. But years before Maharaja puram Santhaanam made a song popular called "Vilayaada idu nerama" in the same raaga. If you see apart from being based on similar raaga, the songs sounded exactly similar in almost all places. You need to just replace lyrics that's it. IR has composed many songs in that Raaga, with some diff. But this one is very close to that MRPS song. What would you call this ? Copy..inspiration...? I would say that it is a honest application of carnatic raaga to a situation.
It all lies in how you look at it.
Now I may say a different thing for argument sake. That depends on how you people argue.
- From: NagaS (@ 203.195.201.74)
on: Mon Dec 2 23:30:37 EST 2002
Bala talks about IR ...
http://www.vikatan.com/av/2002/dec/08122002/av0501.shtml
NagaS
- From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195)
on: Tue Dec 3 00:36:12 EST 2002
NagaS,
A very good article .Wel the story reminds me of another MOvie -ALAVANDAAN ,though similarities are less .Anyway it is a excellent story line and RAJA sir ,i hope will give a great score to the movie
- From: sf (@ 61.11.45.145)
on: Tue Dec 3 01:55:43 EST 2002
Hi Friends, CAN Any body help me to know much abt IRs project on "THIRUVASAGAM" through symphony?
And I heard that MANIRATNAM and KAMAL is going to join for his next movie and if so, who is the Music Director for that project? Is it IR? or ARR?
- From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195)
on: Tue Dec 3 02:03:18 EST 2002
NagaS ,
onga link work aaguthu ..aana ananda vikatan home page is still old !!!
- From: NagaS (@ 203.195.201.74)
on: Tue Dec 3 02:18:53 EST 2002
Mumbai Ramki,
They update the home page little late, I know the pattern by which they name the pages, So I change it manually in browser and then hit the latest aa.vi. every tuesday morning :-)
sf,
I guess it will be ARR most likely,
NagaS
- From: x (@ 172.155.27.166)
on: Tue Dec 3 07:31:49 EST 2002
From: fyi (@ 68.97.168.128) on: Sun Dec 1 19:19:07 EST 2002
Anu,
Have Dinamani open in one window and open/refresh Cinemaexpress link in the other. It should work. But sometimes it doesn't:)
From: Deepak (@ 219.65.98.184) on: Sun Dec 1 20:25:37 EST 2002
Sabesan,
There is a lot of difference in doing "mugastuthi" and meaning what you say. In this case, I think Bala was really serious about what he was saying.
From: Love Music (@ 203.44.55.70) on: Sun Dec 1 21:43:13 EST 2002
Watched "Solla Marantha Kathai" lastnight. Really enjoyed the movie. We were desperate for a good tamil movie after watching some of our so called high profile deepavali releases. Really enjoyed the BGM as well. One most important thing about the movie is the "Tamil" aspects of it. Its so Tamil i really enjoyed everything about the movie.
Well done to Thagar Bachchan and Illayaraja
From: Love Music (@ 203.44.55.70) on: Sun Dec 1 21:43:30 EST 2002
Watched "Solla Marantha Kathai" lastnight. Really enjoyed the movie. We were desperate for a good tamil movie after watching some of our so called high profile deepavali releases. Really enjoyed the BGM as well. One most important thing about the movie is the "Tamil" aspects of it. Its so Tamil i really enjoyed everything about the movie.
Well done to Thangar Bachchan and Illayaraja
From: S.P MAHENDRAN (@ 161.139.38.51) on: Sun Dec 1 22:09:36 EST 2002
Raja is best ever music director which one India and this world must proud.He is a born genius.Raja sir like to leave a very simple life.I like our Maestro very much.What a great achievement.Our Musical Raja is gifted from god.Nobody can match or compare with him.He can create his own tunes.Not just like other MD who like to use foreign or western tunes.Somebody transfer direct and someone take a little bit.I really hate this kind of music director.Raja is really very very different from this MD all.He is very much talented.He can do what others can't do.Well done Raja.I like your music very much.
From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Mon Dec 2 02:44:02 EST 2002
"hmm..... eppadi thaan when IR was in peak, the directors and producers use to make him look like a GOD.... i wish they stop those things..... i have never seen MR or BR making IR look like a god, but they did show their respect..... wish the other directors follow this...."
I feel there is a difference between Bala's those words and other sychophant directors' words on IR. Bala's was what Vamsy's in telegu filmdom. It was like Mahendran's words for "UdhirippookkaL".
From: S.P MAHENDRAN (@ 161.139.38.51) on: Mon Dec 2 22:21:05 EST 2002
http://www.intamm.com/movies/history/history5.htm
From: Are Yaar (@ 203.115.31.67) on: Mon Dec 2 22:47:53 EST 2002
>>>As a human all artists has inspirations and tendency of repeat their ideas. The question is how less one has got inspired(degree of inspiration and frequency of inspiration) and how long they could give work with less recycle is of paramount importance.
It depend on how look at it. If you say that I will only accept one piece as inspiration when you prove it in internet thru links then that is one way of reducing the numbers. I have said one thing before, if getting inspired from African folk song is a crime then getting inspired from Indian and mainly south Indian folk song and composing a song based on that is equally a crime. Many of IRs inspirations have been of this kind. He himself has acknowledged that in many places. We have the famous issue with Padma subramaniam over the Mullum Malarum film.
See, I don't want to pick a fight here. I don't have probs with Inspiration. As long as you put your bit into it then its as good as original. IR , ARR stand in this league. The problem comes when people selectively attack some one and hide the other. The method of music composition has changed over times. Its more like fit the best into places.
When "Kaadal Kanirasame" was composed, there was a similar popular karnatic song by Saint Thyagaraja (I forgot the wordings...I am not a carnatic guy). Would you call that a copy or inspiration or what. I will call that a great improvisation and leave at that.
Same with "Sollayo vai thirandhu" from Mogamul. A great song in Shanmuga priya. But years before Maharaja puram Santhaanam made a song popular called "Vilayaada idu nerama" in the same raaga. If you see apart from being based on similar raaga, the songs sounded exactly similar in almost all places. You need to just replace lyrics that's it. IR has composed many songs in that Raaga, with some diff. But this one is very close to that MRPS song. What would you call this ? Copy..inspiration...? I would say that it is a honest application of carnatic raaga to a situation.
It all lies in how you look at it.
Now I may say a different thing for argument sake. That depends on how you people argue.
From: NagaS (@ 203.195.201.74) on: Mon Dec 2 23:30:37 EST 2002
Bala talks about IR ...
http://www.vikatan.com/av/2002/dec/08122002/av0501.shtml
NagaS
From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195) on: Tue Dec 3 00:36:12 EST 2002
NagaS,
A very good article .Wel the story reminds me of another MOvie -ALAVANDAAN ,though similarities are less .Anyway it is a excellent story line and RAJA sir ,i hope will give a great score to the movie
From: sf (@ 61.11.45.145) on: Tue Dec 3 01:55:43 EST 2002
Hi Friends, CAN Any body help me to know much abt IRs project on "THIRUVASAGAM" through symphony?
And I heard that MANIRATNAM and KAMAL is going to join for his next movie and if so, who is the Music Director for that project? Is it IR? or ARR?
From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195) on: Tue Dec 3 02:03:18 EST 2002
NagaS ,
onga link work aaguthu ..aana ananda vikatan home page is still old !!!
From: NagaS (@ 203.195.201.74) on: Tue Dec 3 02:18:53 EST 2002
Mumbai Ramki,
They update the home page little late, I know the pattern by which they name the pages, So I change it manually in browser and then hit the latest aa.vi. every tuesday morning :-)
sf,
I guess it will be ARR most likely,
NagaS
- From: villan (@ 202.9.148.44)
on: Tue Dec 3 12:17:59 EST 2002
http://www.tamilanexpress.com/cinema/cinema4.asp
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