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Creativity of ARR

Topic started by RAJAN (@ proxy-117.iap.bryant.webtv.net) on Sat Jan 10 15:20:00 EST 1998.
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• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Tue Nov 24 04:46:58 EST 1998
  
  udhaya,
  great job. finally a like-minded voice in this thread. dhooL!!
  but i think u are mistaken in saying that thillana thillana is island music. i feel it's more of an African jungle beat. and secondly, i am not too sure people SING at a mushaira. as far as i know, it is a forum for reciting poetry, or am i mistaken? pls, some clarification needed.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-179.il.us.ibm.net) on: Tue Nov 24 09:01:56 EST 1998
  
  HI Udhaya,
  Long time no see.
  
  Arr throws more curvers to Santham -- perfectly right. He often composes for lyrics this will bring automatically lots of curvers,
  eg: MSV songs have more curvers or brigas as he used to compose for lyrics.
  
  People must understand that ARr uses more real instruments, it is not always keyboards. BTW using keyboards is not easy for indian music. these synths suite western pop very well but not Indian music. Basically I feel he gives new sounds and new form of music. we are all used to (song= pallavi + bgm + saranam1 + bgm2 + saranam2 + pallavi) formulae, he is trying hard to change it.
  
  
  Srikanth
  
  
  
• From: Shashi (@ eed02956.mayo.edu) on: Tue Nov 24 10:57:10 EST 1998
  
  Hi Srikanth and other TFMusic lovers
  
  I have been saying the same thing about composing to lyrics--this definitely increases the complexity of a composition. This is exactly what I wrote about Raja's composition style. His pre-1985 songs are mostly composed for lyrics and they have a feel that is difficult to describe, but the best you can say is it is unpredictable unlike the more recent ones.
  
  Now, this above comment does not automatically mean that I am in anyway making comparitive judgements about ARR or Raja. These are just observations.
  
  I do want to point out that ARR's recent album 'Doli sajake Rakhna' does not stand up to ARR's standards. This is IMHO. Although 'Bol sajni...' is very pleasant and has some good humming before the start of the 2nd and 3rd stanza's overall the other songs somehow lack creativity. Especially the 'kheva re kheva..' song shouldn't even be on the album (how many times is he going to repeat the same tune). Even the cassette company releasing this album is 'T-series' (apparently one of the worst) and this just makes me feel that ARR really did not care much for this album and has given a half cooked album so to speak.
  
  Srikanth what do you think about my comments?
  
  
• From: NITIN (@ moff351-11.lib.berkeley.edu) on: Tue Nov 24 14:35:51 EST 1998
  
  To Udhaya:
  
  WELL PUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss05.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Tue Nov 24 14:49:51 EST 1998
  
  Udhaya:
  ...and you claim to be a layman ? :-)
  
  
• From: Krishna (@ mailserver01.sb.com) on: Tue Nov 24 19:05:01 EST 1998
  
  Wow! I am amazed at such fandom for mediocrity! And the creative "chappaikattal" for the fame built by "brand names".
  
  I have to appreciate you fans for your creativity on the above.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Nov 24 20:57:25 EST 1998
  
  Krishna,
  I'm reminded of that proverb, how does it go now,
  "Just because you can't swim don't go piss on your neighbor's pool"
  
  
• From: Anand (@ peso.ntu.edu.sg) on: Tue Nov 24 21:48:24 EST 1998
  
  "Bol Sajni Mori Sajni" in Doli Saja Ke Rahkna is an excellent song set to Kapi,one of ARR's favourite ragas....A very good job done.
  
  "Kheva re Kheva" has been sung well by Sukhvinder singh, and hopefully, he'll be singing more songs for us.
  
  The instrumental piece "Bol Sajni" is simply too good...very very melodious...
  
  Anand
  
  
• From: SR Kaushik (@ ntws224.cs.wisc.edu) on: Tue Nov 24 22:18:45 EST 1998
  
  IMO ARR has done some great work in instrumental interludes. some of the most creative interlude pieces of ARR have been
  
  1. "Kanukku mai azhagu" - I liked the flute version better than the humming one. The pieces have a very jazzy feel that is at once romantic.
  
  2. "Putha pudhu bhoomi vendum" - It was a revelation. Excellent use of WC.
  
  3. Veera pandi kottayile - again great WC pieces. I have always wondered how it is possible to compose pieces that are so difficult to hum in the first place!!
  
  4. Pudhu vellai mazhai
  
  Nowadays, he has reduced his number of instruments, I wonder why.
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 202.54.125.175) on: Wed Nov 25 05:19:03 EST 1998
  
  While on Doli Sajaake Rakhna and other HFM albums of ARR, there's one thing that I noticed:
  
  Whenever the director is Priyadarshan, I think he forecs his friend(!) MG Sreekumar down ARR's throat, to give him atleast one song to sing!!!
  
  The good part is MG Sreekumar is a good singer.
  The worst part is, he is the lousiest when it comes to singing in Hindi. A little accent is ok (remember SPB, Yesudas, Janaki and Chitra; IMO, Swarnalatha has the best Hindi diction of all TFM female singers, as displayed in Rangeela and Indian).
  
  Well, coming to the point, a decent song by ARR in DSKR, "Kissa Hum Likhenge" has been massacred by MGS, and the melliflous Anuradha Paudwal who sings the duet along with him seems helpless.
  
  Listen to the above song and another one from ARR's Kabhie Na Kabhie "Mere Saare Subuhon Mein" (duet with Chitra) to see my point.
  
  I feel bad when sincere attempts are labelled by the masses (even critics) as another 'Southie' song...
  
  Well, they wholeheartedly welcomed Anu Malik's copy of 'Ottagathai Kattikko' and other numbers from Gentleman. So, I don't much care for their criticism, but my feeling is that, any song should be appealing to one's aesthetics, and the singer(s)' contribution counts!!!
  
  Can't ARR, with his status, refuse to bow to such emotional blackmails from the director(s)?
  
  
  Neels
  
  
• From: raja (@ spider-ta081.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Nov 25 12:24:13 EST 1998
  
  I am looking for a list of songs by ARR based on Kapi ragam.
  
  Thanks.
  
  
• From: Ganesh (@ solutioncube.com) on: Sat Mar 13 17:30:05 EST 1999
  
  I happened to listen to ARR's Andhimantarai title score on the net and I was hooked the first time I listened to it.
  
  It is refreshingly different!
  
  My only complaint is that it is too short. For those who havent listened to it, Unnikrishnan does the carnatic vocals with piano and probably bass guitar in the background.
  
  The piano score in the background is just awesome. To me it appears to be excellent fusion. Does the piano score belong to any distinct style of music?
  
  Music literates in this forum can you let me know?
  
  His previous stints with established carnatic vidwans like vikku vinayakram(I thot his trademark ghatams in narumugayae added great flavour to the song), Haridwar mangalam AK Palanivel and nityashree have resulted in great numbers.
  
  I hope rahman uses other talented artists like sanjay subramaiam, and established genuises like mandolin srinivas, kunnakudi vaidyanathan & TVG in his (partly) classical venture 'sangaman' to give us great music.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Sat Mar 13 18:33:39 EST 1999
  
  Ganesh,
  
  If you had visited the "Is ARR running out of stuff" thread you would have noticed that I had included the songs of Andhimandharai as some of the melodies of ARR seriously overlooked.
  
  Did you listen to Sahiye and Orunalal ?
  
  
• From: Ganesh (@ solutioncube.com) on: Sat Mar 13 20:23:16 EST 1999
  
  Murali Shankar,
  
  I did visit the thread after you pointed out.
  
  Another great melody of ARR that has being seriously overlooked is 'pookodiyin ponnagai' in Iruvar.
  
  The song really took me back to Viswanathan Ramamoorthy days! It has fantastic flute pieces and the orchestration was very similar to VR's style (atleast thats what I thot).
  
  Sandya who sang the song had a voice remarkably similar to the golden voice of P suseela! She seemed to have the same remarkable clarity of P suseela. The song had very good lyrics too!
  
  I am sure rahman must have spent quite some effort in getting everything perfect in that song.
  
  I listened to Sahiye and Orunaal as well. I wish rahman-unnikrishnan combo could come with come up with such melodies! UnniK voice was just perfect in Sahiyae.
  
  Does anybody know if the song 'uyirum neeya' is available on the net?
  
  
  
  
• From: Anbu (@ inet-fw1-o.oracle.com) on: Sun Mar 14 17:55:25 EST 1999
  
  Udaya,
  
  'A majority of the songs by ARR sound like they were created by someone in a good mood'.
  You are absolutely right and I also believe that mood of the creator affects his work. I always felt that this aspect is missing from IR's work after 1994 and also thought he is not aggressive enough. Albums like KM, Poonthotam and MVU are exceptions. Though his current work has all the ingredients of the great music he presented during late 70's and through out 80's, I always get the impression that somebody is pointing a gun at him when he sits for composition while listening to most of his songs and I feel that it affects the mood and flow of the songs. Just listen to ‘Naan oru sindhu’ from ‘Sindhu Bhairavi’. Though it is a sad song and slow , see how smoothly the music flows through and you can feel that the individual pieces of the music couldn’t wait to fall in their places while his current work gives you an impression that as if they were waiting for someone to push them to fall. I am not sure if it makes sense but that’s how I feel. BTW, I am as crazy about IR’s music as SPM.
  
  
• From: madhu (@ 34.tampa-25-30rs16rt.fl.dial-access.att.net) on: Wed Mar 17 15:43:46 EST 1999
  
  Even I thought 'pookodiyin punnagai' from 'Iruvar' was great. It has a very soothing effect. But sadly it was not appreciated. Many people did not like the songs in 'doli saja ke rakhna' but I thought except for the 'keva re keva ' song all others were really melodious.
  
  
  
• From: MS (@ ) on: Fri May 14 04:25:55 EDT 1999
  
  I cannot stop myself from reviving this thread. After much ARR bashing in the recent past (myself included) for Padayappa, I think we need to dig this thread up for getting a glimpse of ARR's ability. When writing this I am listening to a cassette with the following songs:
  
  (1) nEtru illahda maatram
  (2) Oh veNNila
  (3) Thendralae thendralae
  (4) enai kaaNavillaiye
  (5) minnalE nee (interludes make me shed tears)
  (6) en kaadhale
  (7) raasaththi en usiru
  (8) kaadhal rOjAvE
  (9) bombay theme
  (10)thoda thoda
  (11) nila kaigirathu
  (12) uyirE uyirE
  (13) kaNNaaLanE
  (14) kAthu kAthu
  (15) peNNalla
  (16) kaththAzangaattu vazhi
  (17) thenkizakku cheemayilE
  (18) anbendra mazayilE
  
  IMO, these songs are packed emotions that are indescribable. The greatness of all these songs lie in the interludes. No interlude is deviating from the normal course of the song. They appear to be extensions of the tune. This, if compared with IR, springs a surprise. In many songs IR's interludes are off the normal course of the song (eg second interlude of "Poove sempoove"). But he has also produced songs where the interlude just intertwines with the tune to generate a pleasing output (eg SheNbagamE, SheNbagamE by Asha bhonsle). Can DFers throw more light on this further ?
  
  Regards
  
  MS
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Fri May 14 04:59:04 EDT 1999
  
  typo: packed with emotions
  
  

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