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National Awards: I felt Ilayaraja should've
got the Best Music Director award for atleast
ChiraiChalai or Moga Mull (was it released during
this period) They had great music as against
Minsara Kanavu. What do you guys think?

Topic started by Gokul (@ 204.76.129.252) on Tue Jun 17 21:15:37 EDT 1997.
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• From: badri raghavan (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Sat Jun 20 02:05:34 EDT 1998
  
  i did not have the patience to wade thro the old responses and so there might be some repetition. please bear with me.
  
  if awards is the baseline for talent, then
  1)MGR is a better actor than sivaji (Especially as a rikshawkaran mgr emoted phenomenally to justify that award)
  
  2) unnikrishnan is a better singer than Balu having got the national award for his first song (btw can somebody please send me a personal mail on what was so great about the song and the singer to merit the NA) in fact, balu has not got a single national award for tfm which means that he is not a good singer in tamil films.
  
  3)Rahman is a better md than everybody else on the same lines as Unnikrishnan
  
  i have nothing against mgr, unni or rahman but if they or anybody else consider that their value is determined by national awards then ....
  
  srikanth! i agree with your oft repeated statement that df has become a raja prarthanai club which is not conducive for healthy discussions.
  
  let us discuss music and not personalities and if we are discussing personalities let us do it objectively instead of getting emotional and upset about comments and criticism.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Ganesh (@ 164.164.37.8) on: Sat Jun 20 08:08:27 EDT 1998
  
  Gokul,
  
  IR fans can initiate 700+ threads for discussions this way!!
  
  I dunno what you mean by great music. It is so subjective. What is great music for you might not be for every body. Personally I felt the songs of chirai chalai were very mediocre! I thought MK songs were very good.
  
  Awards for music can always be disputed. Preference for Music is after all subjective. I guess awards dont mean much, nothing more the than the taste of a few people.
  
  I guess the real award for IR has been the recognition he has earned.
  
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 81.minneapolis-06.mn.dial-access.att.net) on: Sat Jun 20 10:15:35 EDT 1998
  
  Hi ,
  
  The national award is decided on various criteria.
  like orginality, popularity of the song.
  The Minsara Kanavu songs were very very popular in many languages-- Tamil, Hindi, Telugu etc..
  Besides factors like tape/CD sales revenue also come into consideration.
  
  Only a handfull of IR fans here call it as junk.
  Otherthan that every one liked it. (including the Jury for the awards)
  
  I am sure manamadurai has a lovely blend of tamil folk and Espanic music. The score is awesome when it blends from Unni Menon to Chitra...
  The saranam is also very nice. (Srinivas also sings it very well for his first proper song for AR.)
  
  Currently situation is - Pure music score is not alone considered.
  
  Though there were days when these factors did not play around. Balamuralikrisha got it once for a sanskrit movie, only for his musical talents.
  
  Agreed the songs of Moga mull and chirai salai were good, but this factor cannot deny an award for another music director...
  (When the same jury gave awards to other people we accepted it..)
  Chitra has also a won an award for same song.
  The humming she sings in the song to reach the highest picth in the song is really extraoridinary..
  
  Regarding the film fare awards - it is like oscar- because it is voted by people.. the musicians are selected on the basis of vote received for a particular song. M.M. and c.C. songs were there in the list of choice to vote, but why people did not vote for M.M or C.C..
  Think for a minute - IR - A real music genius..he knows to make perfect music, but offlate his capacity to understand the taste of the comman man is gone down.
  
  Getting an award for any musician is the result of this hard word. Factors like luck, partiality all these words are for arguments sake only, will never count. At the end of the day, ARR has won the award will remain.
  This is the fact and has to be accepted.
  
  
  Srikanth
  
  
  
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.29.219) on: Sat Jun 20 16:15:12 EDT 1998
  
  That these awards are a farce is obvious from the fact that sivaji ganesan or IR have not received any in their lifetime, but they were already internationally recognized well before that.
  just because ARR's music is popular does not mean that his music is great.if awards are given on the basis of sales of cassette rather than quality of music deva has a good chance to get an award every year because his scores for rajni's films always top the charts irrespective of whether they are good or not.
  
  IMO, guru and yaathramozhi are miles above Minsaara kanavu songs.
  
  
• From: Suren (@ ) on: Wed Oct 22 00:55:39 EDT 2003
  
  Hi Gokul,
  
  I am agreeing to your point. Raja is always the one and only music director who scores great music. I think there are some pressure to delibrately skip the chances of Raja to come in to the frame. My strong opinion is same as the caption that Director Parthiban used as a title for Raja in his films. That reads like this "Music" "alias" "Ilayaraja".
  
  For example "Sadhana Sargam" has won the best singer Award for the song "Paattu Solli" in Azhagi. My point is, without having a great tune composed by the Music Director a singer can not simply get the National Award by mererly being a part of it. So that naturally implies that the best Music Director should also be the one who composed the award winning song. But the best music director award goes to some other MD. I don't under stand the logic!
  
  People are now defining the word music only as the blasting sounds. So that only they can not have any idea of what a real music is. "Moga Mull" and "Siraichalai" are the tiny drops of "Thiru Parkkadal". We need not worry about comparing all other with a Devine one.
  
  Thank You.
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 12.248.200.116) on: Wed Oct 22 03:38:39 EDT 2003
  
  What is the big fuss about an award??? I am a staunch ARR fan and I was not too very happy when ARR won the national awards.
  
  If an MD is good, he will get recognition from the fans. That is the biggest award. I am sure IR has enough fans to make up for those national awards he missed... The fact that he has never won a NA does not make him a less talented in any way whatsoever.
  
  
• From: K (@ 68.46.183.24) on: Wed Oct 22 09:55:19 EDT 2003
  
  My opinion is that awards generally say more about the quality of awards through the persons they recognize than the quality of the persons. Even since the late 70s and 80s, I have no respect for the national film awards based on its awardees. Even when they chose to give the award to IR it was only for movies with either KB or K Viswanath. There were tons of movies in the other years by IR where he should have been recognized and they have failed to do it. One should see a list of IR movies in 1980 or 1981 and you will really wonder about the objectivity of these awards.
  
  The problem is there are no objective criteria for these awards. These awards are determined by a powerful few who are either in or influence the awards committee. You could clearly see when ARR won for Roja, GV and Bharati Raja were in the slection committee. When ARR won for Minasar Kanavu, KB was in the selection committee. They all have an axe to grind against IR.
  
  Even more shameful are the Bharat ratna type of awards. If ARR and Vairamuthu get these awards and IR does not get in, any objective person who could look at the relative contributions could easily decipher the cheapness of the selection criteria for these awards.
  
  As I started out by saying, may be the KBs and BharatiRajas may think that they diminish IR by doing this. To me, what they have succeeded in doing is diminish these awards.
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ 68.39.137.213) on: Wed Oct 22 10:10:17 EDT 2003
  
  K,
  I agree with you on IR being ignored for several of his great work with directors other than KB, BR and KV. But, IR's work during Minsara Kannavu days was not well received by masses and was suppressed by dominating music by ARR.
  
  Its the right time now for IR to come up with scores like Salangai Oli, Sindhu Bhairavi and Muthalmariyathai to seriously contend for national awards. The only great work that really challenged ARR recently was Bharathi. IR should have got a national award for it but atleast Bhavatharani got it.
  
  Let IR come up with great music to catch the attention of masses and eventually the selection committe will be forced to budge.
  
  
• From: K (@ 68.46.183.24) on: Wed Oct 22 14:24:23 EDT 2003
  
  If mass appeal was a criteria for an award, IR should have received it for so many years. However, my point is that all these awards have no objective criteria and hence based on its subjectivity and the influencers behind it, it is my opinion that these awards do not relect quality or what is best.
  
  As for IR, as a person who has achived being the best, I dont think he is motivated by wanting to win national awards or wanting mass appeal. I think he does music for music itself. Such a stage of motivation has been characterized by Maslow et al. as being in a state of self-actualization.
  
  
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• From: ~Bala (@ 202.88.154.233) on: Fri Oct 24 01:17:23 EDT 2003
  
  IMHO, Ilayaraja needs no more awards. I think he has come a long way through...all we can do is just listen and enjoy his music...that's more than enough...and we can wish many more years of film music from him....which stir through our souls for a lasting impression...
  
  ~BALA
  
  
• From: MUSIC LOVER (@ 195.39.134.84) on: Wed Oct 29 04:06:18 EST 2003
  
  IF AWARDS WERE GIVEN FOR GOOD SONGS,I GUESS ILAYARAAJA SHOULD BE GETTING NATIONAL AWARDS EVERY YEAR,MINSARA KANAVU DID NOT EVEN DO HALF THE REVENUE KARAKATTAKARAN DID OR ENGA OORU PATTUKARAN DID,DID ANYONE OF YOU KNOW KUMBAKARAI THANGAIYAH WAS HOLDING A RECORD OF HIGHEST AUDIO AND REVENUE COLLECTIONS FOR A LONG TIME AND THE MAJOR SUCCESS WAS DUE TO RAAJAS MUSIC,SO NATIONAL AWARDS ARE A BIG JOKE,ITS FULL OF POLITICS,YOU DONT BE SURPRISED IF ARR WINS A AWARD FOR KATHAL VIRUS TOO,EVEN HE WILL KNOW HE DOESNT DESERVE ALL THESE AWARDS
  
  

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