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Topic started by Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on Wed Dec 26 04:23:24 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Check out the latest issue of Kumudam (The new year issue I suppose). Subbudu has been shooting his mouth about the state of TFM in 2001. Surprisingly the usually-abrasive Subbudu says things like 'Please dont think I'm blaming Rahman outright...' and adds another sentence to pacify ARR fans.

Anyway thats besides the point. The issue is that Subbudu lists about 5 very melodious songs as the best of 2001, like vaseegara, azhage sugama and so on. And totally denounces fast, peppy tracks and other such numbers. Is he trying to say that those numbers are pointless?

He also seems to hate 'vaadi vaadi' from ATV. Seems like he doesnt want an entire genre of songs to be out and popular. Imagine if all TFM is just melody music what will be its state?

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• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Thu Jan 3 13:42:20 EST 2002
  
  "Evolution" means a growth, and growth is considered "good". These days there is only "regression" in TFM - so blaming Global Economy, Makkal Virumbi Kekkuranga, All the Youngsters Like It - these are just crappy excuses for promoting bad taste. Are these the root causes Subbudu doesn't address? The whole "root" causes argument is such a load of nonsense. Good music needs no promotion. Just good ears.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.254) on: Thu Jan 3 14:45:07 EST 2002
  
  Naaz,
  
  Technological advance(to name one) in TFM.Nobody any longer aspires to make it big in TFM with just a harmonium they start dreaming with atleast a equipped studio and few gadgets.People have matured to the extent that if a person says "I can program so great in Java and I'm earning so much for that.Just imagine if I learn the presentation skills/tools how many millions I will make" they will atleast think thro it.
  
  "so blaming Global Economy, Makkal Virumbi Kekkuranga, All the Youngsters Like It"
  
  If I understand correctly what VM is trying to say is :he considers(doesn't blame) all these as major factors to consider while making music creatively and he seems to emphasize that we are doing a quite good job inspite of these compromises or adjustments.
  
  "Good music needs no promotion."
  
  I too agree that is true.But I see lot of people saying that few music albums are failing only b'cos it is not marketed and People are dumb enough to just go for labels and posters.
  
  One other point,people will always like "crappy songs" too whatever be the period(80s or 90s or 00s).Which means bad taste will also co-exist.But it's the good taste that pre-dominates and is the true spirit of people.Good songs will always be embraced more intensely and more universally.
  
  All,IMO.
  
  "These days there is only "regression" in TFM."
  
  I would like to know from "what(when)" it has regressed to "what(now)".Hope to be enlightened.
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Thu Jan 3 16:07:33 EST 2002
  
  People have matured to the extent that if a person says "I can program so great in Java and I'm earning so much for that.Just imagine if I learn the presentation skills/tools how many millions I will make" they will atleast think thro it. totally lost here. what do you mean?
  
  bad taste will also co-exist.But it's the good taste that pre-dominates and is the true spirit of people.Good songs will always be embraced more intensely and more universally :-)) lots of people seems to have such an opinion. sounds very much like the infantile. nom to you. the idea that good prevails over bad is very naive; the irony is the bad people always use this slogan to get their things done. i think i have digressed heavily :-)))
  
  take it easy.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Thu Jan 3 16:22:40 EST 2002
  
  hihi:-),
  
  "totally lost here. what do you mean?"
  I was just trying a "dig".:)So,just disregard.
  
  "the idea that good prevails over bad is very naive"
  
  To make it more clear, a good song appreciated today will be remembered and will have more staying power after few years.On the other side, a bad(crappy but hit) song will surely not stand the test of time.Liking bad songs is sometimes a manifestation of kind of psychological revulsion towards ourselves.I got little carried away and started using words like spirit.:)
  
  "the irony is the bad people always use this slogan to get their things done."
  
  The irony to that is just b'cos people use it to get things done(wrong manner) doesn't mean it cannot be true(correct).:-)
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Thu Jan 3 16:34:11 EST 2002
  
  :-))
  
  
• From: RangA (@ 216.65.221.154) on: Thu Jan 3 17:19:46 EST 2002
  
  the idea that good prevails over bad is very naive
  The idea of good and bad itself is very naive. Good and bad are subjective, relative and temporary adjectives. Hee hee.
  
  
• From: RangA (@ 216.65.221.154) on: Thu Jan 3 17:23:40 EST 2002
  
  Trend,
  Is standing the test of time the proof of good and bad? Then most of the useless customs, beliefs that are followed are good. Then why do we try to change from them?
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Thu Jan 3 17:26:02 EST 2002
  
  ranga: enna new year resolution-A? sensible posts-A varudhu? :-)
  
  
• From: CM (@ 128.107.253.44) on: Thu Jan 3 18:15:19 EST 2002
  
  Guys,
  One thing I dont understand why VM has to do this. Accepting the fact that he is truly a talented lyricist, why should he after having made a good fortune already not contribute good quality stuff. He can very well say no to these guys. There are a 101 starving lyricists who could atleast benefit out of that, if not, atleast dish out the same crap. Only guys like him can do such things to hold the quality of lyrics at a high standard. If he is considered to be a standard or a benchmark then he has the responsibility to maintain and dish out 7/10 songs that are worth. If the becnhmark itself is compromised then nothing can be said about those that follow. It all proves one point that Kannadasan is the true kaviyarasu and not VM. This ofcourse does not mean that VM is useless or not worth anything. He is a good lyricist but cannot compare with Kannadasan.
  This has pretty much become the way of life for all Indians and TN is noe exception, degrading standards are not the solution for better reach. The hype and marketing also has the negative effect of glorifying the product that even debutant gets enough pride that he thinks that whatever he does is ofcourse of the greatest quality. Thats is why we see people after having a year or two in composing break into films and with a hit or two think that they are the best.
  Well these are just my views, strictly IMHO. I remember once that Hariharan said that these days peiple dont listen to music but watch music. This is too very true and the music video culture should actually cater to the needs of the singer/composition and not the other way around.
  
  
• From: RangA (@ 216.65.221.154) on: Thu Jan 3 18:27:48 EST 2002
  
  hihi:-), enna new year gift-A? postla irukkaRa sense purinjiduchu? (pOchudaa! vEdhaaLam thirumba murungamaram yERiduchu!!)
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Thu Jan 3 22:34:18 EST 2002
  
  Trend -
  
  what current day TFM music has regressed to is quite evident to the listening ear...Formula in place of Originality, Orchestration ABOVE Voice, Influence OVER Talent, Image Vs. Ingenuity/Integrity...These are not unique times by any means, and you are right in saying that every period has its crass aspects. However, the excess of bad-taste in current TFM times, makes this period tower above the ones gone before. That's regression. Not progress.
  
  (The idea that technology is a sign of "progress" is a convenient myth. Illaiyaraja and MSV - in their heydays had enough technical "savvy". What made their music memorable was that they looked upon technology (including harmoniums) as an adjunct - and not an end in itself.)
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.254) on: Fri Jan 4 09:53:40 EST 2002
  
  RangA,
  
  "Is standing the test of time the proof of good and bad? Then most of the useless customs, beliefs that are followed are good. Then why do we try to change from them?"
  
  Standing the test of time is not "the" proof of good and bad but one of the proofs(according to me).Customs and beliefs are different from one individual to another individual depending on his family, geography and mentality.
  
  Good and bad?Wheteher logical or not,this is how people measure their actions and decisions based on their own belief of good and bad.So,though it is relative or subjective each one has his/her own gospel.
  
  Naaz,
  
  "Formula in place of Originality"
  
  What is that "Formula"?Is it something like (a+b)^2=a^2+2ab+b^2?To me, what you are claiming as "Originality" seems to be an irony in the 80s and early 90s as the music was intolerably monotonous.
  
  "Orchestration ABOVE Voice"
  
  I agree there have been songs where orchestration overrode the voice but on the positive side we have had some wonderful development in the Orchestration area.Some of the works done by KR and YSR has been commendable don't you think?
  
  "Influence OVER Talent"
  Influence?If you are talking about some kind of politics in music world then I don't know what you are talking about.
  If you are talking about "bias",every music director has his "biases" which can be classified as positive and negative.Each fan(or anti-fan) of MD likes/dislikes different set of biases of each MD.
  
  "Image Vs. Ingenuity/Integrity"
  
  Image usually follows Ingenuity/Integrity and it's not the predecessor.
  
  "The idea that technology is a sign of "progress" is a convenient myth. Illaiyaraja and MSV - in their heydays had enough technical "savvy". "
  
  Enough is a subjective term there.I found it lacking from mid 80s to early 90s.We had all these badly recorded audio cassettes.The audio cassette companies also should take some blame for this.During that period MDs and people from audio cassette companies maybe, thought this is what people deserve.
  
  Note:Yesterday I said something about "Java Programmers".That was surely not intended to offend anything to do with people in "Java" or people doing presentation in that field.That was something related to TFM in one other threads.If you catch the drift ,that's fine otherwise please forget about it.
  
  All, my long boring opinions.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Fri Jan 4 10:16:05 EST 2002
  
  Trend - There is no point in trying to convince you. You are entitled to your opinions, of course. I don't want to prolong an argument just for the sake of having an argument.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.254) on: Fri Jan 4 10:36:17 EST 2002
  
  Naaz,
  
  That's fine.BTW,I'm surely not trying to convince you.:)
  
  
• From: Arasu (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Fri Jan 4 12:41:19 EST 2002
  
  Check this out.. VM Fights back !!!!
  
  http://www.kumudam.com/kumudam/mainpage.html
  
  
• From: Karthi (@ 64.105.35.163) on: Fri Jan 4 15:42:16 EST 2002
  
  Subbudu never said anything about the absence of P.Susheela as a reason for the dip in quality :((
  
  
• From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.165) on: Sun Jan 6 01:29:48 EST 2002
  
  Oh Sriram...enough of your games...I'm tired.
  
  
• From: kalai (@ 202.144.106.10) on: Mon Jan 7 02:40:06 EST 2002
  
  Subbudu
  Sirappaha entha isayayum paada vallamai petta P.susheela-vukku eedaga vada inthiyavil oru halaignan irukiraana?
  " 28.1.2001 - Anantha vikatan in subbudu darbar"
  
  
• From: raj (@ 198.151.230.253) on: Mon Jan 7 03:38:56 EST 2002
  
  Even then he has blamed Us only that We need Crap songs
  
  Is it So
  We Youngsters Enjoyed Un samayal Arayil, Pallanguzhiyin Vattam, Yenakena erkanave, Roja Roja, yenna vilai Azhage, Anbe yenai kaana villaye
  etc r melodies which were super hits..
  
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210) on: Tue Jan 8 00:38:28 EST 2002
  
  
  Writer Sujatha Selects YSR as Best MD 2001 ..
  
  http://www.vikatan.com/av/2002/jan/13012002/av0908.htm
  
  NagaS
  
  

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