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New Releases by ARR??

Topic started by Srikanth (@ passport.proxy.lucent.com) on Mon Sep 15 10:23:15 EDT 1997.
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• From: Krishna (@ mailserver01.sb.com) on: Tue Oct 6 18:57:48 EDT 1998
  
  I disagree with Udhaya probably on a lot of things . But I agree on this one where people feel that it is right to impose Hindi on us in TN just because someother 50% of the country speaks the same language. Its a stupid idea and should meet with the same type of resistance that it had in the 60s. Thats why when someone says ..this guy is good because he is popular in hindi also..to me its .."so what?"
  
  
• From: Observer (@ spider-tr022.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Oct 6 21:21:21 EDT 1998
  
  Oh NO!
  this is a VERY SENSITIVE ISSUE. I would not be spared if I say anything frankly, I think DFer annapurna is quite new (may be i am wrong) and does not know the gravity of the issue she is talking about, so her innocent statement that may be irksome to others may be excused with a benefit of doubt. As for as i am concerned, she was having a cheerful tone and not a criticising one in her statement
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ inet21.us.oracle.com) on: Tue Oct 6 21:27:44 EDT 1998
  
  Observer,
  Perfect timing....Oct6 21:21:21...
  cool!!
  
  sorry for the digression....
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spc-isp-tor-uas-71-44.sprint.ca) on: Tue Oct 6 23:50:13 EDT 1998
  
  Aren't you all getting way out of topic. Let's not get political.
  
  
• From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Wed Oct 7 00:08:29 EDT 1998
  
  Open this issue in Forum Hub :-))
  
  
• From: balaji (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Wed Oct 7 00:22:09 EDT 1998
  
  shankar : idhu thevaiyaa, non violent ,non-controversial threads in forum hub are buying air(kaathu vaanguginrana!!!!).now if this thread comes to forum hub, adhu uruppatta maadhirithAn!!!
  
  
• From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Wed Oct 7 02:01:59 EDT 1998
  
  balaji,
  ennaikkumE oru soodAna topic irundhA thAn andha Edathukku oru "mouse"(mavusu) irukkum.andha "nalla" ENNathil sonnAl... :-)))
  
  
• From: Madhan (@ 202.41.117.3) on: Wed Oct 7 05:32:47 EDT 1998
  
  Dear Udhaya and others,
  I think Ms.Annapurna's words have been grossly misunderstood/ misinterpreted
  She was only trying to address this issue of"
  Tamil" and "non-Tamil" differences and not anything else.
  Moreover, she never mentioned anything about imposition
  of Hindi or the political aspects of all this.
  My personal opinion is very simple - I vehemently disagree with what Mr.Udhaya is trying to say regarding "just because 50% of india speaks Hindi, we don't have to accept it" - No , Mr.Udhaya, even though I am against language imposition, I strongly feel that Hindi as a national language is a must for all of us - because, a vast country like us needs something to link the diverse population - Maestro.Ilayaraaja has strictly instructed KR,YSK and BT to learn Hindi and has reportedly told Hindi producers not to give them chances unless and until they are well-versed in Hindi - can there be a better example than our own Maestro.
  
  
• From: Madhan (@ 202.41.117.3) on: Wed Oct 7 05:34:20 EDT 1998
  
  Dear Udhaya and others,
  I think Ms.Annapurna's words have been grossly misunderstood/ misinterpreted
  She was only trying to address this issue of"
  Tamil" and "non-Tamil" differences and not anything else.
  Moreover, she never mentioned anything about imposition
  of Hindi or the political aspects of all this.
  My personal opinion is very simple - I vehemently disagree with what Mr.Udhaya is trying to say regarding "just because 50% of india speaks Hindi, we don't have to accept it" - No , Mr.Udhaya, even though I am against language imposition, I strongly feel that Hindi as a national language is a must for all of us - because, a vast country like us needs something to link the diverse population - Maestro.Ilayaraaja has strictly instructed KR,YSK and BT to learn Hindi and has reportedly told Hindi producers not to give them chances unless and until they are well-versed in Hindi - can there be a better example than our own Maestro.
  
  
• From: Madhan (@ 202.41.117.3) on: Wed Oct 7 05:38:57 EDT 1998
  
  Dear Udhaya and others,
  I think Ms.Annapurna's words have been grossly misunderstood/ misinterpreted
  She was only trying to address this issue of"
  Tamil" and "non-Tamil" differences and not anything else.
  Moreover, she never mentioned anything about imposition
  of Hindi or the political aspects of all this.
  My personal opinion is very simple - I vehemently disagree with what Mr.Udhaya is trying to say regarding "just because 50% of india speaks Hindi, we don't have to accept it" - No , Mr.Udhaya, even though I am against language imposition, I strongly feel that Hindi as a national language is a must for all of us - because, a vast country like us needs something to link the diverse population - Maestro.Ilayaraaja has strictly instructed KR,YSK and BT to learn Hindi and has reportedly told Hindi producers not to give them chances unless and until they are well-versed in Hindi - can there be a better example than our own Maestro.
  
  
• From: Madhan (@ 202.41.117.3) on: Wed Oct 7 05:41:16 EDT 1998
  
  Dear Udhaya and others,
  I think Ms.Annapurna's words have been grossly misunderstood/ misinterpreted
  She was only trying to address this issue of"
  Tamil" and "non-Tamil" differences and not anything else.
  Moreover, she never mentioned anything about imposition
  of Hindi or the political aspects of all this.
  My personal opinion is very simple - I vehemently disagree with what Mr.Udhaya is trying to say regarding "just because 50% of india speaks Hindi, we don't have to accept it" - No , Mr.Udhaya, even though I am against language imposition, I strongly feel that Hindi as a national language is a must for all of us - because, a vast country like us needs something to link the diverse population - Maestro.Ilayaraaja has strictly instructed KR,YSK and BT to learn Hindi and has reportedly told Hindi producers not to give them chances unless and until they are well-versed in Hindi - can there be a better example than our own Maestro.
  
  
• From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Wed Oct 7 07:06:11 EDT 1998
  
  Madhan,
  unga point ai emphasize paNNa nAlu dhadavai post seyyaNumA??? :-))))
  
  
• From: Annapurna (@ ws239-24.allen.msstate.edu) on: Wed Oct 7 10:29:06 EDT 1998
  
  Hi everyone,
  
  Thanks to all for expressing your opinions on my point of view. Thanks to those who have taken it in a lighter vein.
  
  After reading all the reponses following my posting, I went back and re-read my posting at least a dozen times to see if I mentioned anything about politicizing a language. I didn't think so.
  
  Language was not the point of my message, MUSIC was! I didn't think it was good attitude to downplay the music sense of a so called "Hindi audience". Because, music was NEVER bound by language barriers and never will be. I particularly feel that music alone can integrate a country as diverse in culture and language as India and once again my kudos to all MDs and singers who are crossing the language barrier.
  
  One man's food is another man's poison. So, if I like something that you (not intended at any particular YOU :-))don't, that does not make either one of us superior.
  
  I am sorry for having expressed a view that steered the music conversation to a totally different plane !
  
  
  
• From: Viswa (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Wed Oct 7 10:55:24 EDT 1998
  
  Annapurna,
  Nice of you to have posted this clarification... even if the whole drama was not entirely your fault ! Not entirely anybody's fault, for that matter... That it touched a lot of raw nerves is an indication of how sensitive some issues are to some of us in this world... But that's beside the point. Yes, the point is that language ceases to be an issue, when it comes to music. I think we all need that to appreciate that !
  
  By the way, I don't think Srinivas also meant to be derogatory about the tastes of the Hindi audience, so to say. I think he was just trying to say that ARR's music is trying to cater to too many tastes, thereby having lost it's focus and charm... Of course, it is a well-known fact that HFM is facing a serious dearth of genuine talent... Quite far off from the scene in the 50s, 60s and the 70s !
  
  Now, back to the topic (hopefully)....
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Wed Oct 7 14:15:43 EDT 1998
  
  No, Viswa not quite back yet, there's unfinished business here!
  
  Suddenly everybody is an even-tempered liberal with keen insight on the ideas behind another's posting. I have never read so many unanimously vouch for the true intention of another's posting.
  Annapurna, way to go lady, everybody knows what you're thinking. We should all be so lucky.
  
  Let me re-post the passage from Annapurna's original posting along with my original response because I'm sure most of you haven't read it clearly:
  All this notion of Hindi, non-Hindi etc.. is a whole lot of bull and crap. We can put up with Singaporeans, African-Americans, Chinese etc in foreign lands but cannot talk good of our own fellow Indians. Come on! Grow up!
  
  You tell me if language and politics are not the crux of this passage! I see nothing here that talks about music. On top of that, we get the humble, music-minded, lighter vein posting that tells everybody to Grow up, right?
  
  My posting below is a response to the last passage in Annapurna's posting, since she simplistically equated tolerance of foreign cultures to accepting Hindi.
  From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Oct 6 15:59:49 EDT 1998
  Annapurna,
  The Tamil-Hindi language issue is political because Hindi threatened to erase Tamil out of Tamil Nadu. If Malay, African, or Chinese languages threaten Tamil, then they won't enjoy the welcome they otherwise do either.
  I appreciate your egalitarian attitude but please don't simplify a major issue about one's birthright that is language, history deserves to be remembered.
  
  I don't see anything flagrant in my response to Annapurna. I pointed out that she simplified a major issue. Then Sreeni posted calling my posting incendiary and everybody got into this lynch mob hysteria.
  
  I'm no stranger to controversy, probably will never be. I'm not a sensationalist, I just share my take on things. Agree or disagree with me it's irrelevant to me. But don't misunderstand or misquote me like Madhan has (Madhan, pal, that 50% quote is not from my posting, and yeah I totally disagree with your stance and your beloved idol's too. I get my knowledge from history and reported truths not idol(idle) chatter).
  
  Hate me for what I actually said, not for something I didn't. And the next time I catch a sweeping generalization without relevance or truth (IMO, of course, my words always are) you can bet you'll hear from me. Perhaps, now we can return to discussing "New Releases by ARR". Who needs morning coffee when the DF is so hot and bothered?
  Peace, love and glory, folks, have a nice day.
  
  
  
  
• From: Srinivas (@ scproxy3.sc.intel.com) on: Wed Oct 7 14:18:46 EDT 1998
  
  Viswa,
  You understood my intonation perfectly. I never intended that my stmt be made a basis for "linguistic debate".
  As you rightly point out, Hindi FM , at this point of time can be best described as a proliferation of mediocrity. And ARR is in fact doing a service, by composing music which is light years ahead of any contemporary Hindi composers.
  
  My only concern was that maybe i.e IMHO, ARR has shifted emphasis from melody to rythm (incorporating Bhangra and other styles), so as to make his music hep and appealing to a wider Hindi audience.
  
  Ms. Annapurna :
  I wish you had not used such strong words, in reaction to a personal opinion and sparked off this fiery "linguistic debate". Also, the opinion stated was purely mine. Please avoid misinterpretations.
  
  Srinivas
  
  

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