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Which combination is better - Ilaiyaraja & S Janaki or R D Burman & Asha Bhonsle

Topic started by Rajesh (@ 203.126.40.254) on Thu Oct 18 02:01:54 EDT 2001.
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Each music director has his trump card singer. Obviously the two music directors who have ruled India are Ilaiyaraja & R D Burman, even though they were catering to a different set of audiences. Both of them had experimented heavily on their respective favourite singers - S Janaki and Asha respectively. While I always feel that IR-SJ combination is terrific, all my North Indian friends feel that there can never be a combination like RDB-AB. What do you think? I do not want a TFM-HFM war here

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• From: m krishnan (@ 203.199.130.140) on: Sun Oct 28 12:11:27 EST 2001
  
  TNS:
  
  U are again wrong - Shankar Jaikishan had a problem with Lata around the late 60s - around 1968. They still continued with Lata for majority of their songs. Please refer to Encyclopedia of Hindi Cinema for further details. The no. of songs they gave to Asha is much less than that they gave to Asha. Its not that they did NOT use Asha, but definitely not as much as Lata.
  
  In fact all the MDs used Lata much more effectively - including Naushad. I can see that u are conveniently not mentioning his name anymore.
  Asha's associations with RDB and OPN ONLY are comparable to the SJ-IR pair. Even in case of RDB, he often went to Lata for his classical songs or the sad ones.
  
  In the mid 70s they started using Asha, but at that time Jaikishan was no more and their pair had virtually lost its glory. Please check your facts, u are really proving your idiocy again and again, like in all threads. Even in "Mere Huzoor" or "Jaane Anjaane" or "Jhhuk gaya aasmaan" they used Lata nearly exclusively. These are around 1968 movies. And u say they stopped working with Lata in early 60s. NONSENSE!!!
  
  
  And what do u say about Janaki's contribution to KFM and MFM under the tutelage of so many MDs other than IR. U are conveniently overlooking important details just to prove your "points", mr Genius.
  
  I wouldnt be surprised if u were TN Seshan. He arhues as stupidly on every issue as u do.
  
  
• From: mk (@ 203.199.130.140) on: Sun Oct 28 12:12:51 EST 2001
  
  correction:
  
  The no. of songs they gave to Asha is much less than that they gave to Asha.
  
  The no. of songs they gave to Asha is much less than that they gave to Lata.
  
  
• From: TNS (@ 203.199.232.219) on: Sun Oct 28 12:39:43 EST 2001
  
  MK
  YOUR statistics are like performance datas of M.K.....Mu.Karunanidhi.....Thanks....What I conveyed earlier is Asha had sung much more with other mds and overall in HFM...prior to her association with RD than SJ's numbers in TFM before her coMbination with IR...Why should I talk about KFM and MFM which I do not know much..
  200,300Roobaikku yaar yaaro Keechu kuralil 20 varusham vera bashai il paadiyadhai pattri naan enn therinjukkanum?
  Hai when did I say S.Jaikishen stopped working with Lata....They started having misunderstanding during the time of Sangam...1964 and LATA slowly drifted away from them....THose days each film will take three to four years time for completion and I can not goback when Mhurat and recordings were done for films like Mere huzoor...Again and again inge vandhu keeeeeeeeech kuralil kathamal un velayai paaru...Kalasamaadu....or Ninde Jholi Nokku......
  
  
• From: Sane (@ 161.142.78.82) on: Mon Oct 29 12:52:24 EST 2001
  
  Well, I don't care what all of you people think of SJ, whether she sings through her nose, or screams with her shrill voice or spoils the so called IR compositions, or others can sing better than her. The bottom line is, she has IT, it is a special thing that no other singer has, I don't know what it is called, but when she sing, the is a MAGICAL feeling that no other singer can produce. Just listen to Chinna Thayaval from Thalabathi, unless you are insane, you will know what I am trying to say.
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 128.111.113.181) on: Mon Oct 29 13:52:44 EST 2001
  
  who is a better scientist - C V Raman or Chandrashekhar, Ramanujan or Hargobind Khurana>/i>
  
  of course, chandrashekar (with cvraman there is an effect called lakshman effect!) and rAmAnujan (whos is this hargObindh khurAnA?)
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.181) on: Mon Oct 29 13:53:16 EST 2001
  
  font correction
  
  
• From: Meerakrishna (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Mon Oct 29 14:05:43 EST 2001
  
  Sane you are absolutely right. Why we are going to argue with these guys. Just let them alone. If they said SJ is Keeeech Kural, well we like that kural thats it. This ISAIGNYANI IR may be deaf man thats why he always choose SJ not PS or VJ. What a pity. Long live IR as a deaf. Long live SJ. Some people does'nt know anything about their native singers but they talking about the Northy singers.What a strange.. Donkey's does'nt know the fragrance of Kasturi.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 203.200.15.20) on: Mon Oct 29 23:30:11 EST 2001
  
  Sane you are correct
  antha keeech kural thaan ithanai varudangalaaga thamizh naattai thaalaatti irukkirathu
  We love that keech kural
  Let TNS go to hell
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Tue Oct 30 00:01:45 EST 2001
  
  aruLaracan:
  
  Hargobind Khurana is a famous molecular biologist - involved in DNA research. I am surprised u dont know him :-)
  
  Vijay,Sane,Meera:
  
  I think we may ignore TNS. I have derived a lot of pleasure from the songs of both SJ and PS, Lata and Asha. Comparing them is very subjective and the occupation of small minds.
  
  
• From: e (@ 210.214.5.200) on: Tue Oct 30 05:10:48 EST 2001
  
  200,300Roobaikku ... paadiyadhai pattri naan enn therinjukkanum?
  
  TNS, your "mind" causes vomiting sensation:-(
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Tue Oct 30 06:27:14 EST 2001
  
  there is probably NO genre of film music that Janaki has not explored with mastery -
  
  devotional
  semi-classical
  folk
  naughty and seductive songs
  night clubs songs,cabarets
  sad songs
  happy and fast tunes
  mimicry songs (children,old ladies,teenagers........)
  haunting songs
  songs requiring high range.
  
  
• From: Isai Priyan (@ 157.95.211.50) on: Tue Oct 30 10:28:57 EST 2001
  
  Is this arguement heading towards voice quality of SJ and PS or who sang in most different types of songs?
  If its the voice quality then with out question it has to be PS.SJ has this "kreech" tone in her voice and is very prominent in her high pitches.But I am not saying she's not a good singer,ofcourse she is.But PS revolutionised the TFM with her pronounciation skills and splendid voice.For the record the dominance of TMS and PS is still not overshadowed by anybody in THM.
  All IMHO.
  
  
• From: Isai Priyan (@ 157.95.211.50) on: Tue Oct 30 10:29:57 EST 2001
  
  read THM as TFM.
  
  
• From: unmaivilambi (@ 63.75.49.120) on: Tue Oct 30 11:31:48 EST 2001
  
  Those who say SJ has keechi kural and pales in comparison with PS or Asha or Lata should be morans who have lost their sense of taste after listening to mediocre singers like Lata,Asha or PS who are no match for the versatality of SJ
  
  
• From: avr (@ 203.197.82.67) on: Tue Oct 30 11:42:02 EST 2001
  
  unmaivilambi:
  
  "mediocre" singers like PS,Lata,Asha hmmmmmmmm :-)
  
  Now u'll say - Naushad, Ilayaraja are mediocre MDs :-)
  
  
  
• From: Isai Priyan (@ 157.95.211.50) on: Tue Oct 30 11:46:25 EST 2001
  
  unmaivilambi,
  "mediocre singers like Lata,Asha or PS..."
  Mediocre in what way?Your support for SJ seems to be blind without reason.PS is one of the few singers who's been described as one with a almost perfect female voice.People of great knowledge in TFM like Abdul Hameed say that PS voice is the most perfect available.If you read my posting I have never denied the greatness of SJ but at the same time revealed the opinions on PS(these are the widespread opinions in TFM)
  I only pity you of calling people morons and saying PS a mediocre singer.
  
  
• From: avr (@ 203.197.82.67) on: Tue Oct 30 12:27:45 EST 2001
  
  unmaivilambi:
  
  Without denying the greatness of SJ, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that Lata is no less a singer in a way. In fact, Janaki herself admits that her idol was Lata.
  
  
  
• From: unmaivilambi (@ 63.75.49.120) on: Tue Oct 30 13:44:36 EST 2001
  
  Why the hell you guys have to accept the myth spread by the northy guys that south indian singers and musicians are inferior? They accepted Rahman due to variety of reasons like being given a rousing welcome by someone like Naushad, speaks good english , copies from western music like their own so called composers(though to a lesser degree). I donot say Rahman does not have talent. He has but pales in comparison to IR who is million times more talented. Till date most of the those guys donot recognize IR as a genuine talent. Atleast we should be proud of IR/SPB/SJ combination and acknowledge that they are the best instead of sucking up to Lata/Asha.
  
  
• From: meerakrishna (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Tue Oct 30 14:41:45 EST 2001
  
  unmaivilambi, they said sj has keech kural but they don't know how many kannada songs spoiled by ps in her keech kurarlil with pbs.
  WE LOVE KEECH KURAL...Oh maane maane is my fav.
  
  
• From: Isai Priyan (@ 157.95.211.50) on: Tue Oct 30 14:54:10 EST 2001
  
  unmaivilambi,
  Good music from any part of the world should be welcome.If the northies don't have the heart to recognise the talent of IR then it only shows their ignorance.Why do you want to fall in the same category when we have the knowledge and heart to recognise the talent from anywhere.So open up and dont compare us whith any of those people you r referring to.Nobody denied the greatness of SJ/SPB/IR here.The arguement is in a comparative note and don't forget the word "better" here.so if you can list out any special skills that would make your combo a better one, that would be great.
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Wed Oct 31 00:01:24 EST 2001
  
  unvailambi:
  
  BTW - i am a NORTHIE here. I love PS,SJ,Vani - in fact I admire South Indian music itself, esp. pure Carnatic.
  But that does not mean u insult Lata and Asha calling them mediocre.
  
  
  From: unmaivilambi (@ 63.75.49.120) on: Tue Oct 30 11:31:48 EST 2001
  
  
  Those who say SJ has keechi kural and pales in comparison with PS or Asha or Lata should be morans who have lost their sense of taste after listening to mediocre singers like Lata,Asha or PS who are no match for the versatality of SJ
  
  
  Also, I think u also called PS as a mediocre singer, right? Now look who is insulting a great South Indian artist.
  
  Also composers like Naushad and Madan Mohan were extremely innovative and original composers.
  
  
• From: unmaivilambi (@ 63.75.49.120) on: Wed Oct 31 12:35:18 EST 2001
  
  avr, I never said Naushad was a copy cat. He is an original and I ackowledge that. This is a comparison thread and I say lata/Asha/PS are mediocre in comparison with SJ and RDB is mediocre in comparison with IR. The idea is to put forth my views clearly and not to hurt anybody. Sorry for bringing out the northy comparison. I apologise for it. At the same time IR/SJ combination can carry off fun songs, pathos, love, happiness,seductive everything with aplomb. You know in hindi songs for seductive numbers Asha was prefered while the melody ones went to Lata. No such thing here since SJ can handle everything with expertise. The songs had rich variety (carnatic,folk and western), thanks to IR. I am drunk with the rich music these two gave me and I know instinctively they are the best. For the pronunciation maniacs who talk about PS , please donot get hung-up on that. That is not everything. We are talking about singing here, not some poem recital. One example is how PS spoilt the song Darling(3) in priya. I always imagine that song with SJ and My God, what a song it would have turned out. SJ can carry off extreme songs like "Ponmeni uruguthey" as well as "Katril enthan geetham" equally well.
  
  
• From: TNS (@ 203.199.232.20) on: Wed Oct 31 13:15:42 EST 2001
  
  Long ago Gangai Amaran had said why they opted for PS, for Vaangonna,Darling Darling,Unnainambi nethiyele....etc because such songs required heroines to express the Loveand longing in a dignified way and nobody to beat PS in that required decent way of expressions...In Darling(3) song the whole tune goes up and down and SJ kural low aga pogum podhu Vaarthaigale veliye varadhu...
  Keech keech satham than varum....Do not bring PS name unnecessarily here mr. poivilambi ....
  
  
• From: unmaivilambi (@ 63.75.49.120) on: Wed Oct 31 15:11:47 EST 2001
  
  Everybody knows GM talks nonsense and IR does not care a damn for his comments. If you think IR composes decent love songs rarely (since SJ has sung 80% of IR songs) then you can keep your opinion. Do you think "annakili unnai theduthe" does not have that so called decent love expression? What is keechu satham to you sounds kuyil satham to millions of fans including IR. If this makes me a poivilambi then so be it. poivilambi.
  
  
• From: Meerakrishna (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Thu Nov 1 01:43:26 EST 2001
  
  unmaivilambi Darling(3) song sung by SJ in Kannada don't heard PS's pale kural. SJ's Darling prnounciation hmmmmmmm. I never want to heard that song in pale monotonous kural.
  long live keech kural.
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Thu Nov 1 02:42:37 EST 2001
  
  UNmailvilambi:
  
  
  This is a comparison thread and I say lata/Asha/PS are mediocre in comparison with SJ and RDB is mediocre in comparison with IR.
  
  IR was a genius. He had command over WCM and CCM and could visualise notes very easily. RDB was not as good as IR. But he was definitely NOT MEDIOCRE.
  
  Also PS,LM and AB are NO LESS than Janaki.
  
  
  The idea is to put forth my views clearly and not to hurt anybody.
  
  
  U are neither expressing ur ideas clearly nor gracefully.
  
  
  At the same time IR/SJ combination can carry off fun songs, pathos, love, happiness,seductive everything with aplomb.
  
  I agree with u here.
  
  
  You know in hindi songs for seductive numbers Asha was prefered while the melody ones went to Lata
  
  Okay if I show u exactly 5 seductive pop songs by Lata, and 5 sad/melodious/traditional ones by Asha - ALL COMPOSED BY RD BURMAN ALONE - and 5 more by other mDs, will u concede my opinion versus yours???
  
  
  
  See Unmai - all these 4 singers and even others like Vani Jayaram, were great singers. Each was unique. Similarly every MD was unique. I cannot understand why we are comparing at all. Such comparisons act as impediments in enjoying music.
  
  
  But I think this will be my last attempt to convince someone who calls PS/Lata/asha as MEDIOCRE!!
  
  I am very much defeated.
  
  

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