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Topic started by Ramki (@ proxy7.cyberway.com.sg) on Sat Jun 21 00:14:12 EDT 1997.
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From: rameshb (@ interlock.itthartford.com) on: Tue Feb 2 14:58:43 EST 1999

RS
vidamatteenga polirukke! IMO, in the context that KD has written (exchange of love), he is OK. He could have replaced the word 'karunai' with someother word. Being such a renowned poet , he should not have run 'work hungry'. RS, neengalum jeyichchutteenga, nanum jeyuchchutten ! eppadi
From: PUls (@ 208.242.36.101) on: Tue Feb 2 15:01:36 EST 1999

engala vutraadheengappa..naanum jeychuten..BUllum jeychutaan..PM'um jeychachu..IT'S A WIN WIN SITUATION IF ALL CAN HAVE HEALTHY ARGUEMENTS LIKE THE ONE WE HAD TODAY INSTEAD OF THE USUAL IR-ARR CRAP. ;-)))

bye
From: Ramki (@ pm062-05.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Tue Feb 2 15:51:28 EST 1999

aiyoo ellorum oditeengala??

Rs and others-Kannadasan wrote these words to suit the character sivaji played in that film. He will be shown as an egoistic person rite from the start ing of the film. Adhanaal dhan he will have difficulty accepting the 'other' daughter after knowing it was not born to him. Manaivikku madhippu (avalaavaaga)kodukkadha oru kadhapathiram.
What else can we expect from such an egoistic personality??
kannadasan(RS pls dont call him KD it sounds like kedi)words speaks for such a character-idhu avaroda sondha karuthukkal endru ninaippadhu thavaru.
From: DHARUMI (@ alpxy3.att.com) on: Tue Feb 2 15:56:03 EST 1999

Here is one more angle of thinking konjam pEthala irundhaal ennai adikka varaadheenga.
karunai : is shown by somebody superior to someone inferior. Example Aandavan karunai kaattavEndum. Aanaal aandavan kaattum karunaikku parisu thara mudiyumma. oru seyallukku parisu thara oruvaraal mudiyum endraal avarukku seyalai seidhavanai vida thiramai irundhirukka vEndum allava. Adhanaal male ego'vai satisfy panna karunai endru koorivittu piragu atharkku parisu tharum alavukku female'ai adhaivida uyarthirukkiraar kavignar. Idhepadi.
Ayyo ennai adikka varaaang, naan udarEn joot.
From: rameshb (@ interlock.itthartford.com) on: Tue Feb 2 16:24:11 EST 1999

Ramki,
i can understand based on the story, kavingar has used the word 'karunai' to show depict the egoistic nature of the song. But it is a love song and when you are making love, you have to have mutual exchange and not one sided. In this context could you please tell me whether the word 'karunai' is still justifiable. If you take the song 'nee katru naan maram' , it is a best example of 'togetherness' any thoughts?

dharumiye, 'parisu' kidaithatha?!!!
From: rameshb (@ interlock.itthartford.com) on: Tue Feb 2 16:26:38 EST 1999

I noticed i have typed both 'show' and 'depict' together. Choose any word of your liking!(chappaikattu for a mistake!)
From: RS (@ sungold3.uk.ibm.com) on: Wed Feb 3 06:41:58 EST 1999

Ramki, I will not agree with you. Just because he is egoist, karunai will not become justifiable.

Moreover, the most amazing part is that
that line was sung by female singer and not male.
dharumi, antha word parisu, romba kevalama irukku antha edathula
From: RS (@ sungold5.uk.ibm.com) on: Wed Feb 3 06:45:45 EST 1999

Dharumi, oru seyalukku parisu tharuvathaa.
seyal=> thats not work, its love. You can give love in exchange of love and not anything.
parisu romba kevalama irukku antha words antha edathula.

Ramki,
intha line-a male singer illai female singer sonnathu . athan innum puriyave mattenguthu.
A wife looking at her husband and telling that
'have given u a gift for your favour'. ayyo thanga mudiyalai, however egotist her husband his
From: rs (@ sungold6.uk.ibm.com) on: Wed Feb 3 06:47:06 EST 1999

sorry for the double posting
From: rameshb (@ interlock.itthartford.com) on: Wed Feb 3 12:12:07 EST 1999

RS,
it is not just kavingar who has used words that would give room for misinterpretation by the opposite gender. Vali has also used(infact blatantly!) many times in love songs (esp. MGR songs) words like 'vaLLal' as if the hero is gifting the heroine with 'vAzhkai', 'inbam' etc. IMO, these words sound odd in a love song even if the hero's character in the movie is a 'kodai vaLLal'. May be they were written so to please MGR. But if you take 'malare mounama' from karna which is one of the recent ones by vali, it goes 'puthu vAzhkai thantha vaLLalE..'. I don't remember the story , MAY be arjun indeed gives heroine (ranjitha?) a life when she is one of those victims of 'oppressive' society.
From: RS (@ sungold7.uk.ibm.com) on: Thu Feb 4 12:38:34 EST 1999

Excuse me RAmesh. Let us not bring in MGR Songs here. Since MGR songs are written keeping his image in mind.
appa kooda Vallal vanthu avaroda real-life-la avar vallal appadingarathai thaan mean pannanga.

Here karunai and parisu refer to an act. And u know what that act is and let me not detail u abt that. What is nauseating is if wives start thanking their husband for that !!

And about 'pudhu vazhkkai thantha vallale' no comments. yenna nan padam parkkalai
From: rameshb (@ interlock.itthartford.com) on: Thu Feb 4 14:23:45 EST 1999

RS
OK , let us not drag this any further. I think this has already been discussed in this thread before and we are just reinventing the wheel. Let us go on to the next song. Another 'touching' song by kannadasan is 'sonnathu neethAnA'. This is one of those songs that made everyone in the theater cry!

sonnadhu needhaanaa sol sol sol ennuyirae
sammadham thaanaa aen aen aen ennuyirae
aen aen aen ennuyirae

(sonnadhu)

innoru kaigalilae yaar yaar naanaa
enai marandhaayaa aen aen aen en uyirae

(sonnadhu)

mangala maalai kungumam yaavum thandhadhellaam needhaanae
manamagalaith thirumagalaai ninaiththadhellaam needhaanae
en manadhil un manadhai inaiththadhum needhaanae
irudhi varaith thunaiyiruppaen enradhum needhaanae

inru
(sonnadhu)

dheivaththin maarbil soodiya maalai theruvinilae vizhalaamaa
theruvinilae vizhundhaalam vaeroar kai thodalaamaa
oru kodiyil oru muraidhaan malarum malarallavaa
oru manadhil oru muraidhaan valarum uravallavaa

(sonnadhu)

(courtesy: tfmpage ppp)
From: Ramki (@ pm062-28.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Thu Feb 4 15:36:21 EST 1999

ramesh indha pattai padathile partheengana after the second charanam she will start

'innoru kaigalile...'

adhukku mele thodara mudiyamae Devika azhudhuruvangae, excellent song.

Im reminded of another great song sung by PS in 'thenilavu'. The uvamaigal in the songs are 'out of world'(phrase courtesy HCIRFS:)))

Kaadhalanai pirindhu thavikkum kaadhali paadugiraal

Malarae malarae theriyadho
manadhin nilamai puriyadho
ennai nee arivai unnai naan ariven

kaadhalarai unnai kaana vandhaal
idhayam solvaiyao
en kadhayai solvayo

katchigal maarum nadagam pole
kaalamum maaradho
kaalamum maaradho
kaalangalalae vazhkkai sellum
padhaiyum maaradho
paadhaiyum maaradho
yaar maariya podhum
paavai endhan
idhayam maaradhu
en nilaiyum maaradhu

kangalilum thondrum kaatchiyil ondrai
kalandhae nindraarae
kalandhae nindraarae
ninaivugal aadum nenjilengum
niraindhe nindraarae
niraindhe nindraarae
ini avarudan vazhvil
ondru serum thirunaal vaaradho
en mananaal vaaradho

malarae malarae
From: rameshb (@ spider-tn023.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Feb 8 23:38:30 EST 1999

Guys , i was listening to songs of 'deiva magan' today and was surprised to note that a fun song ( totally "out of the world"!) was written by kannadasan. Until today i was under the impression such songs were written by vali. But the words were NOT so 'provocative' as one of vali's, but still are 'enticing'. here is the song..

kAthal malar kootam ondru
veethi vazhi pOgum endru
yArO sonnAr yArO sonnAr

pAtham muthal koonthal varai
pAl vadiyum kiLigal ena (pAtham
yAro sonnAr yArO sonnAr (kAthal

vakkeelAthu vasantha
unmanathai enthan vasam tha
<>
vattak kaNgal suzhan drAdidum
vArAi enthan virunthA
aadai konjam asainthAl , mAlA
aadai konjam asainthAl
un Asai konjam kalanthA
nAn anaipEn kai koduppEn
un vizhiyAlE varam tha (kAthal

japan return jeyanthi
un mEni vaNNam sevanthi
<< kavingar piNNittAr!>>
mellap pEsum ithaz poovilE
thEnai konjam arunthi
koonthal thannai thiruththi, meena
koonthal thannai thiruththi
un konjum kaNNai nadaththi
nAn azhaipEn un manaththil
oru maNa medai amarthi (kAthal

Is there any other 'tantalizing' fun song written by kavingar ?
Ramki, RS, Udaya , anyone?
From: rameshb (@ spider-tn023.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Feb 9 00:12:31 EST 1999

Closing Italics
From: rs (@ sungold7.uk.ibm.com) on: Tue Feb 9 08:52:16 EST 1999

Good one Rameshb
From: Ramki (@ pm062-17.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Tue Feb 9 21:04:07 EST 1999

Rameshb some more examples in 'fun'category-

'varavu ettanna'(Bama vijayam)
'kaadhal enbadhu edhu varai'(paadhakaanikkai)
'paaradi kannae konjam paiyithamaanadhu nenjam'(vallavanukku vallavan)
'theriyum theriyum vishayam puriyum'(savaal)
'nadaiya idhu nadaiya'(annai illam)
'thallu model vandi idhu thalli vidunga'(mazhalai pattalam)
'gopala aen sir,engae pore sandhaikku poren'(annaparavai)
From: rameshb (@ interlock.itthartford.com) on: Wed Feb 10 12:34:13 EST 1999

Ramki,
could you please clarify if Kannadasan was the lyricist for the two 'fun' songs following (or were they by Vali?)
1.hai hai nEththu poothalE rOja mottu,
parikka koodatho lEsa thottu..

2.ponna poRanda ambiLa kittE kazhuththE neettikkanum
avan onnu rendu moonu muduchchi pOttA mAttkikanum
mAngA thirudi thingira ponnu mAsam eththanaiyO
konjam mannum tharen thinnadiyamma masakkai theeralayO
From: Ramki (@ pm062-10.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Wed Feb 10 18:44:29 EST 1999

Rameshb can you tell me from which film are these songs are?
From: rameshb (@ spider-wg011.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Feb 10 19:19:42 EST 1999

Ramki,
they are from the film 'urimaikkural' in which we had that haunting number 'vizhiyE kathai ezhuthu'
From: Ramki (@ pm062-10.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Wed Feb 10 19:31:01 EST 1999

Rameshb vaali wrote all the songs in Urimaikural except 'vizhiye kadhai ezhudhu'.
From: rameshb (@ spider-wo061.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Feb 10 20:01:04 EST 1999

Ramki,
no wonder! thanx a bunch

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