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Ilayaraja copy adiththa paadalgal

Topic started by Rajaraman (@ 192.122.136.148) on Sat Jul 26 05:27:10 EDT 1997.
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• From: Srinath (@ socks7d.raleigh.ibm.com) on: Wed Jun 24 15:05:32 EDT 1998
  
  Madhan:
  I agreed with Prakash on one of his replies to my post. I felt his comments didn't merit a response and he asked me to ignore them if I felt that way. I went ahead and took his advice. One thing I love about these passionate discussions is the enormous amount of information (in the form of facts and rumours) that they bring out. I really enjoyed all your points but I felt you were a little too harsh on Prakash :-) If we IR fans keep reacting to comments like this, we'll end up with ulcers. The best reponse would be 'no response'. That way we can allow these baseless rumours to die the insignificant death that they deserve.
  
  
• From: Madhan (@ 202.41.117.11) on: Wed Jun 24 15:33:02 EDT 1998
  
  Dear Vijay,
  
  I was not in town (GOA,India), for a week's time - adharkkul, indha threadil orey kalebaram, thanks mainly to MR.Prakash Balakrishnan.
  If I had seen these "contributions" last week itself, I would have replied back immediately -
  
  During my college days at Hyderabad, I used to be a part of a QUIZ group , in which each of us have to be thorough in any one area/subject/field. I was given art/music/cinema - all the above information was collected during that intense period of NEWS/Information hunting - that too, especially if there is any news on IR, I would even forget my lunch and hunt relentlessly !!
  
  Believe me Vijay, I have learnt Hindustani classical music - of course, I am not as well versed as Mr.Srikanth or, Mr.Srinath is in music.
  In my pre- Hindustani days, I was a great fan of IR, but during my Hindustani days at Hyderabad , I became an even greater fan of IR - oru raagathhai purindhu kondu, grasp seidhu kondu, adhil oru Surdas Bhajano, alladhu Ghazalo paaduvadharkkaey naanga thindaaduvom. That being the case, I started realising the full enormity of the genius of MSV/IR/SDBurman/KVM/Salilda/OP.Nayyar etc., only during my Hindustani learning days - and IR always had a special soft corner in our hearts - I don't know whether you are aware of IR's albums in Telugu - if you want I will give you the names -
  
  1.Nirnayam, 2.Ashwamedham, 3.Abinandhanaa ,4.Prema
  
  Listen to "Yen debba theesaavuraa" in album no:2 above - based on Raag Amruthavarshini, it is simply vintage stuff - only after I learnt about the menaing of chords progression from Srikanth, I am amazed at the chords progression of this song.
  
  Perhaps, we can continue our discussions personally through E-mail.
  
  MR.Srinath : We should remember that this is an open DF which can be read by anybody in the world. That being the case, how can you expect me to ignore some blatant blaspehemies on IR ? if proper replies are not given, an outsider, say, a third party, who comes across this thread might conclude that IR is some kind of a C or D grade composer - I don't want that to happen, do you ? moreover, why should I/we sound even slightly apologetic for being rational and factual ??
  
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 161.225.48.3) on: Wed Jun 24 16:08:57 EDT 1998
  
  Hey Madan,
  Good reply to our Prakash
  He really made a impact here for past two days
  What is the song that has good chord progression. Tell me more.. is this song on the web somewhere..
  BTW:
  this week I started pani vizum malar vanam...
  midi file..I was able to pick all the pieces execpt Chord progression..I am trying it still...
  
  Mavane kaya uttutar Raja..entha puniyavan guitar and bass play pananoo..they are great..
  .
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ socks15d.raleigh.ibm.com) on: Wed Jun 24 16:22:52 EDT 1998
  
  Madhan:
  I guess you are right. But I think there are greater chances of anti-IR sentiments getting lost in the DF if we ignore them. By responding we only prolong the duration of those statements, thereby increasing the probability of someone coming across them and making wrong inferences. Think of it - if a person is gullible enough to fall for Prakash's baseless statements, he doesn't deserve to realize the joy of IR's music. I was only worried that a genuine IR fan might get castigated by reacting like this :-) - you see they are so rare to come by these days !
  
  Srikanth:
  I believe IR's brother-in-law plays bass for him for all his recordings. Is this true ?
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ socks9d.raleigh.ibm.com) on: Wed Jun 24 16:25:55 EDT 1998
  
  Madhan:
  'Mr'pOtellAm enna kOpidadheenga ! Naan chinna payan - 23 vayasu thaan agiradhu :-)
  
  
• From: Bharat (@ isdbsd1-inet.ci.mil.wi.us) on: Wed Jun 24 17:28:02 EDT 1998
  
  Srinath:
  
  Pray, who is a "genuine IR fan", and why are they so rare?
  
  :--)
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ socks15d.raleigh.ibm.com) on: Thu Jun 25 08:20:52 EDT 1998
  
  Bharat:
  I once made the mistake of taking your words all too literally :-) I usually don't make the same mistake twice !
  
  
• From: Madhan (@ 202.41.117.3) on: Thu Jun 25 09:58:05 EDT 1998
  
  Dear Srikanth,
  
  I doubt whether the song I had mentioned is on the WEB - not may of Raja's gems in Telugu are in the web - but , if you want I can send you some cassettes - give me your address -
  
  Man, I tell you there are many songs which I am sure our TFM guys would have never listened to - all of them by IR - they are just terrific - unfortunately not all of them were popular - some of IR's "kuppai" songs are popular in Telugu whereas his gems like,
  
  "Taraliraadha kane vasantham " by SPB in "Rudra veena" based on raag Amruthavarshini ,
  
  "Yen debba theesaavura" by SPB & S.Janaki ,
  "Seetha kaalam" , by SPB and SJ,
  "Gumthalakadi" based on Maya maya gowla by SPB,
  "O, PRema" by SPB & Sairekha I think , all of these songs in Ashwamedham all have terrific chords progressions.
  
  But the best of all these is the song " Mogali poovey Monica" by SPB & Chitra in Keechu Raallu,
  man , the bass section, the violin played in carnatic style in the first interlude reminding you of "Nee thaaney yendhan pon vasantham" and SPB's "sokka vaikkum" voice to an intoxicating tune - Srikanth , somehow or the other get these albums if you are a Genuine fan of IR.
  
  Dear Srinath :
  
  OK ! no more Mr for you!!
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.121) on: Fri Jun 26 02:48:26 EDT 1998
  
  madhan,
  some of the great IR songs i have heard in telugu have been from albums like
  maharishi-classic!
  konda veeti thonga
  jagaddega veerudu athiloga sundhari
  gitanjali etc.
  
  'premaledhanee' by SPB
  'shubalekha' by SPB,chithra
  
  'abbane' SPB,chithra
  'maataraani mounamidhi' by SPB
  
  'sumam prathi sumam sumam' by SPB
  'jamakku jamakku chaam pattuko' SPB,chithra,a classic in mayamalavagowlai! etc.
  
  are some of the songs.if u can identify the exact film names of these songs pl. tell me,iam trying to record a collection.i think these songs are from the late eighties.
  
  
• From: S.Suresh (@ dwarpal.wipsys.soft.net) on: Fri Jun 26 02:57:51 EDT 1998
  
  Vijay,
  
  Premaledhanee - Abhinandhana. A film with all great songs.
  
  Subhalekha - Kondaveeti Donga
  
  Abbanee - JVAS
  
  Jamakku - This must also be from JVAS
  
  Madhan ,
  
  Tharaliradha - This is in Hamsadhvani. Excellent song from RudraVeena
  
  
• From: Ramaswamy Gireesan (@ m42.m59.big.ac.at) on: Fri Jun 26 02:58:01 EDT 1998
  
  Madhan,
  
  the song 'yE dhebba thIsAvurA' is in Dharmavathy. Vijay, it is available on my homepage.
  
  Regards
  
  G.Ramaswamy
  
  
• From: NaNbaN (@ 205.214.209.10) on: Fri Jun 26 17:11:53 EDT 1998
  
  I tried to collect IR telugu albums. I just succeeded partially. I was speecless and was lighting struck after hearing ASHWEMADHAM (The songs are listed by MADHAN. The songs are extremely good numbers wasted in the FILM.
  
  The song "Taraliraadha kane vasantham.." is really fabulous song. Such a super melody. Is
  this song any where in the NET?.
  
  
  Madhan:
  You left a song in ASHWEMADHAM :
  
  "chumm chamu chamu..alangalam...." Goes something like (Madan help!). Nothing Great in the song. But for interlude lovers.The song is based on "Rakamma..Kaiya thatu.." (Dalapathi). But the second interlude(veenai) and way it is blended and transformed is simply amazing. One of the all time good Interludes.
  
  Prematho,
  NaNbaN
  
  
• From: Madhan (@ 202.41.117.11) on: Sat Jun 27 00:58:37 EDT 1998
  
  Dear NANBAN,
  
  The song you have mentioned is the least listenable in that album, except for its interludes.
  
  BTW, did you get hold of "NIRNAYAM" - listen to
  "halo guru " by SPB - based on pure classical with a beat like that of "kavidhai paadu kuyile kuyile" from Thendrale Yennai Thodu , this song is FANTABULOUSLY rendered by SPB , another YENTHA YENTHA DHOORAM has a terrific drum beat as the base with bas guitar pugundhu vilaiyadufying in the first interlude - the second interlude has a Raja Rajadhi Rajan Indha Raja type drum roll throughout - a must for IR fans
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Sat Jun 27 11:57:09 EDT 1998
  
  Guys guys... telugu songs belong in the TFM artists in other languages thread. Please keep them there.
  
  
• From: venkat (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Sat Jul 4 04:52:27 EDT 1998
  
  Hi guys,
  Everyone has the rights to say anything about everyone. If someone differs it, then they have to defend against it. First of all, MD fanatics should not be allowed in this thread. This is not the place for showing agression. This a temple for sharing the knowledge in music. I think everybody will agree with me.
  
  
• From: haris (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Sat Jul 4 05:39:18 EDT 1998
  
  Hi IR fans,
  
  If you believe in IR's music, you believe IR is a genius, you believe that IR knows to compose music, to make tunes please do not try to defend IR by responding to a guy called prakash who is roaming around here for sometime, just trying to provoke our emotions with baseless statements.
  B'cos on going thro' his arguments in all the old responses in this thread it seems that he has not given even a single point (against IR) which could be proved..
  1.How could he prove that GA was the ghost-tune-maker for IR unless one of the two opens their mouth about that?
  2.What is he trying to say while he says, 'Why did he not release the symp., if he (himself) had composed it?' Does he not release the songs - which prakash says - were tuned by GA?
  3.Who said that doing pattukku-mettu is the foremost qualification of a MD? Infact, making a tune even before the birth of the lyric is more creative and difficult than putting mettu for a pattu(pre-written).
  4.Who are you to ask why did IR bring Bhavatharini? IR is a MD and Bhava. is a singer if he the MD thinks she has the qual. he has the right to use her.. in-fact this even proves that IR depends more on his tunes and not on the thiramai of the singers..
  5.Is there any pre-written rules for an MD to be called a genius?
  
  I once again beg IR fans not to respond to prakash's stmts., (baseless) on IR.
  
  
• From: Moorthi (@ portal.west.saic.com) on: Sat Jul 4 19:51:29 EDT 1998
  
  kadavule, kadavule,...
  Please no more adithadi. Guys, good its very clear that IR is a genius, b'se, that is the opinion of 90% people and I like to tell few of my thoughts about IR.
  
  Music can be assembled by anyone. Assembling - pick from other far distance languages, change words, instruments or reassemble old songs - Ex. IR's "Kala kalamaga Vazhum"(Punnagai Mannan) and "Stylu Styluthan, Super"(ennamo Rajini padanga). Leave that ignorance of Deva. But Raja is different sir, Every thing his own music. Every thing his own style, can u compare IR with any musicians, IR is an individual symbol for Indian Music.
  There was a question to A.R.Rahman, what u feel about Symphony, Rahman replied "that is a genius work, and I'm not matured to that level". Infact ARR, himself is a great musician, who may come upto the world Music. B'se he understands the trend and his + point is to merge instrument with voice, if u want to enjoy that, "pudhu kavithai neeyanal , nan vanam aven" - a song roja. Or here after u can start listen, why ARRs musics r stirring up ur feelings.
  
  We have two good and great musicians, all my wish is that they should come up to the world level, as there is no one else in India.
  
  U know, "How to name it" and "Nothing But Wind" r a kind of semi Symphony. That itself a great work of IR.
  Did anyone listened to "Thalatta Varuvaya"-Kathalukku mariyadhai, it is a really hearty ringing song.
  
  IR's semi Carnatic songs like "Kadhal Ovium","Salangai Oli", "Ithaya Koil", "Salangail Oru Sangeetham"(mostly unknown)"Sindu Pairavi".
  
  IR always good at mixing Hindustani in his songs, like "Kannukul Mullai vaithu yar thaithathu" Aa...(humming), - Anthimazhai pozhihirathu,
  in Guna- "unnai yar arivar"(pa ma tha nee gamanesa ) in many songs. I like this Hindustani punch.
  
  Madhan , u have done a good job. But cool down. As we know more about something, we should not try to every one to agree. When Prakash said about Pavatharini, he ofcourse exposed his ignorance. Let us give him good ideas in a cool way. Other wise if u fight for insulting IR, won't be fair , having knowledge to prove IR.
  
  Prakash no child will walk , when it comes to the world, let us give her a time. But comparing to many other singers, she is also good. if her voice is very bad ,no one will do.
  
  My friend is enemy of K.Jesudas, yes, he wants to arrange a meeting and abuse KJ for his abusing Tamil in songs. He is poor. But u know, I came to know that indirectly, he is enjoying KJ a lot, by memorising all his songs, he used to sing "sira sagara sayana", without his concious. Its all fun.
  
  Its all okay. Eppappa next topic?
  
  with hearty greetings ,
  Moorthi
  
  

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