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Kannadasanin padaippugal

Topic started by Ramki (@ proxy7.cyberway.com.sg) on Sat Jun 21 00:14:12 EDT 1997.
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• From: Ramki (@ pm062-23.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Fri Jul 17 08:57:20 EDT 1998
  
  5. Gangai Karai thottam, kanni Penkal Koottam, kannan Naduvinile. There was a
  "mayakkam" in this song. I am not able to recollect now. I am sure someone could assist me.
  
  
  Manisekaran what you mean by 'Mayakkam'????
  
  
• From: Marx (@ breeze-fddi.bellcore.com) on: Fri Jul 17 12:58:32 EDT 1998
  
  hi
  
  Padikkatah medhai song, i am not sure, goes like
  
  "thangathile oru kurai virundhaalum" and not like
  
  "thangathile oru kurai irundhaalum".
  
  kuraivu is less in weight, amount, etc
  Even "kurai" has several meanings (many of them
  are same as kuraivu). So they can be used
  interchangeably.
  
  
  
• From: selvi (@ 202.41.104.197) on: Fri Jul 17 16:08:28 EDT 1998
  
  Thanks Manisekaran, u r really enlightening us about the works of Kannadasan. keep it up.
  
  
• From: ss (@ 201-247-110.ipt.aol.com) on: Fri Jul 17 21:54:55 EDT 1998
  
  My friend says Nanagayin sirippai thaan
  Kavignar "Parkalin attam(nadanan, narthanam call whatever) " enkirar .
  Any takers?
  
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 204.220.169.94) on: Mon Jul 20 04:58:49 EDT 1998
  
  ss,
  
  I too feel that in 'pal aada'
  the 'aattam' is a metaphor that
  highlights the
  glittering teeth when the girl laughs and
  not a dental care situation!
  
  Like adiththal is used in sight-adiththal, kappi adiththal..
  aattam was used. But the kavi-manam missed that aattam also had a literal meaning in this context!
  
  
• From: Manisekaran (@ 202.188.91.30) on: Mon Jul 20 10:59:12 EDT 1998
  
  Ramki
  The "Mayakkam" is karuthu mayakkam, not fainting away.
  
  MARX:
  
  it is "thangathile oru "KURAI" irunthaalum.
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ pm062-07.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Wed Jan 27 21:31:23 EST 1999
  
  WHy dont we continue discussing on topics like this-instead of fighting over neer,neruppu, aagayam?
  
  
  Let me reinitiate the discussion with a lovely song by PS in 'paadhakanikkai'
  
  Kaadhal tholviyil thuvandu irukkum oru pennin
  manadhai evvalavu azhagaaga padam pidithirkkiraar
  Kavignar
  
  Ettadukku maaligaiyil aetri vaitha en thalaivan
  vittu vittu sendranadi
  indru verupattu nindranadi
  
  thenodum vazhkkai endru ododi vandha ennai
  porada vaithanadi
  ennai porada vaithanadi
  kaanil neeroda vittanadi
  
  kai alavu ullam vaithu
  kadal pol aasai vaithu
  vilaiyada sonnanadi
  ennai vilaiyada sonnanadi
  avanae vilaiyadi vittanadi
  
  
  kaalangal ulla varai
  kanniyarkku yarkkumindha
  kaadhal vara vendamadi
  indha kaadhal vara vendamadi
  endhan kolam vara vendamadi
  
  
  I dont have words to praise the second charanam-no one could have explained the pain more beautifully and simply than our kavignar.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Wed Jan 27 22:02:39 EST 1999
  
  Ramki,
  vaazhga vaazhga, for reviving this thread. Will be back with some goodies tomorrow.
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Wed Jan 27 22:19:43 EST 1999
  
  Ramki:
  
  thenodum vazhkkai endru
  
  should be corrected as..
  
  thErOdum vaazhvil endru
  
  I fully agree with your comments abt the song.
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ pm062-07.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Wed Jan 27 22:50:33 EST 1999
  
  Ragapriyan thanks for the correction-yes its therodum.
  
  Im reminded of another class by PS -'pagalile chandiranai parkka'(from Kulamagal Radhai) The song can be enjoyed the situation is known. The situation is:
  
  Radha(Sarojadevi)pala varudangal kazhithu than kaadhalan chandranai(Sivaji)parkka pogiraar.
  Sivaji cirucsil velai seibavar. Radha pogum samayathil devika, Circus mudhalaaliyin magal and Chandranin oru thalai kaadhali-Chandran pagalil irukkamattar iravu dhan circus showvukku varuvaar enbaal. When radha tries to meet him in the nite
  he will be busy playing 'bar'
  Appodhi indha song, radha paadum padi varum
  
  
  pagalile chandiranai parkka ponen
  avan iravile varuvadhaaga oruthi sonnaaL
  (Chandran-sivaji and moon
  iravile-sivaji works in the nite and moon appears in the nite)
  iravile avanai kaana naanum nadappen
  avan ellorum parkkumpadi mele iruppan
  (moon is in the sky and hero chandran is playing'bar'in the circus)
  
  
  kadalile meen pidikka naanum ponen
  meen karaiyeri ponadhaaga oruthi sonnaal
  padagile manadhai aetri parkka ponen
  paaraiyile modhumpadi oruthi sonnaal
  
  aalayathil aandavanai parkka ponen
  avanai artha jaama poojaiyile parkka sonnaal
  maalai ondru kaiyil kondu naanum ponen
  aval malarai mattum udhirthuvittu poga sonnaal
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ spider-tr052.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Jan 27 23:23:35 EST 1999
  
  Ramki,
  'ettadukku ' was a one of kannadasan's master piece. I think it was written when ANNA died( correct me if i am wrong). 'pagalile chandiranai' is an excellent song. I have that song in one of my cassettes. Another 'urukkamana' kannadasan song is 'attivaithAl yAroruvar' . Please correct me if there are any errors ( i donot have a source to verify if it is really kannadasan, but i am sure no one else could write that!)
  
  Film: avanthAn manithan
  Situation: Sivaji loses almost of all his wealth in giving away to the needy , esp his friend(muthuraman). When muthuraman sends kannan (kid) (on a gokulashtami day), to sivaji's house he narrates his wish,agony to the kid.
  Sometimes few lines puts you in tears when you sing this.
  
  Attivaithal yAroruvar AdAthArE kanna
  Asai enum thottililE AdAthArE kanna
  nee nadathum nAdakathil nAnum undu
  un nizhalil kooda anubavathin sOgam undu
  pagaivarkaLai nAnum velvEn aRivinAlE
  AnAl nanbanidam thotruvitEn pAsaththale, nabanidam...
  
  pAnjAli unnidathil sElai kEttAL
  antha pArkanavan unnidathil geethai kEttAn
  nAnirukum nilayil unnai enna kEtpEn
  innum nanmai seithu thunbam vAngum uLLam kEtpEn
  
  kadalaLavu kidaithalum mayanga mattEn
  athu kaiyalavE AnAlum kalanga mAttEn
  uLLathilE uLLathutham ulagam kanna
  ithai unarthukondOr thubam ellam vilagum kanna, unarthu...
  
  attivaithal....
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Wed Jan 27 23:38:02 EST 1999
  
  About "Ettadaukku malaigaiyil"...I heard that kannadasan wrote it when he had "karuthu" differences with "Anna" over a distinction that had to be showered on him ..but was showered on karunanidhi(Apparently, karunanidhi took credit for some work done by kannadasan) . It can be seen from the second line:
  "Verupattu nindraanadi", which I think must refer to "differences in opinion rather than anna's passing away.
  
  I believe Kannadasan had differences with anna during the latter's lifetime itself. Another song that is supposed to be written with this in mind is:
  "Annan kaattiya vazhiyamma,
  Ithu anbaal vilaindha pazhiyamma...
  Kannai imaiye something-which-i-dont remember-now..
  Enn kaiye enna adithadhamma"
  
  As usual, we have to depend on manisekaran to clarify
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ pm062-05.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Thu Jan 28 15:48:49 EST 1999
  
  Rameshb 'aati vaithar'is a great song indeed.
  Another great song by our kavignar is 'padaithanae'from Nichaya thambulam. I havent seen this film so situation theriyadhu. But the meaningful lyrics will never fade from our memory
  
  padaithanaeee padaithanae
  manidhanai aandavan padaithanae
  valarthaanae valarthaanae
  manadhinil kavalaiyai valarthaanae
  
  koduthanae koduthanae
  maradhiyai aandavan koduthanae
  pirithanae pirithanae
  manadhaiyum kavalaiyum pirithanae
  
  kurangaai irundha manidhan manadhil kuzhappam aedhumillai
  kudumbam manaivi annan thambi koottam siridhumillai
  aasai paasam kaadhalil vizhundhaal amaidhiyai kaanavillai
  alaindhaan thavithaan thudithaan madindhaan
  yaarukkum laabamillai
  
  padaithanae...
  
  thannandhaniye pirandhavan nenjil sanjalam illaiyada
  innoru uyirai thannudan serthaal endrum thollaiyada
  ithanai siriya manidhanin thalaiyil ethanai sumaigalada
  iruvadhil thodangi ezhuvadhu varaikkum endrum mayakkamada
  
  Padaithanae
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Fri Jan 29 08:56:42 EST 1999
  
  All of us are familiar with the aththikkAi
  song of Kavinjar. But do you know that Kavinjar
  did an unsuccessful first attempt at kAis in the
  movie, uzhavukkum thozhilukkum vandhanai seyvOm
  long before the aththikkAi song? That song
  goes as follows...
  
  kAi! kAi! avaraikkAi!
  kavalaigaL ellAm ettikkAi
  kashtap pAdupattuk kadumaiyAi uzhaikkum
  kALaiyE unnai vAttivadhaippavaraik..
  kAi! kAi! avaraikkAi!
  
  ath-thikkAi nam poruLgaLai ellAm
  aLLik kuvikkudhu oru koottam
  ith-thikkAi adhil kAlvAsi
  illAmal seyyudhu maRukoottam
  
  uzhaippavan vAzhkkai uyarndhu varumendra
  uNmaip pAdaththai kaththirukkAi
  paNam kozhuththa paNakkAran uzhaippukku
  oodhiyam kodukka maRuththadhAl avaraik kAi
  
  pagaivar namakkoru suNdaikkAi
  avar pagattum pEchchum veNdaikkAi
  andhap pAvai kAytharum paNangaLai
  EzhaigaL vAzhvukkAi nee vazhangAi
  
  
  
• From: RP (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Fri Jan 29 09:04:10 EST 1999
  
  
  Ramki: You forgot to close italics!
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 141.218.96.74) on: Fri Jan 29 15:53:37 EST 1999
  
  Sorry about that Ragapriyan
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Fri Jan 29 21:45:59 EST 1999
  
  I went back to the old responses and had a pleasant read. Manisegaran (our history book) had given the background of this song, it's a must read for those who adore Kannadhaasan. Anyway, here's the song in its entirety, I think:
  
  oru koappayilae en kudiyiruppu
  oru kolamayil en thunayiruppu
  isaippaadalilae en uyirthudippu
  naan paarpathellaam azhagin sirippu
  
  kaaviyaththaayin ilayamagan
  naan kaadhal pengalin perundhalaivan
  naan nirandharamaanavan azhivathillai
  endha nilayilum enakku maranamillai
  
  Kannadhaasan wrote himself a fitting epitaph.
  
  
• From: Kishore Krishna (@ ts3-162.silcon.com) on: Sat Jan 30 01:12:03 EST 1999
  
  ettadukku maaligaiyil refers to the human body/mind - according to the siddhargaL there are 8 cavities/levels. The thalaivan here refers to God. There's also another song using the same simile - ettadi kuchukkulle muruga ethanai naaliruppen, oru machhu veedu kattithaarum thiruthani velavane...Recollected from a kannadaasan appreciation book I read several years ago.
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Sat Jan 30 08:00:12 EST 1999
  
  Udhaya:
  
  You mixed the second and third paragraphs. They
  should be:
  
  kaaviyaththaayin ilayamagan
  naan kaadhal pengalin perundhalaivan
  paamara jaadhiyil thani manidhan
  naan padaippadhanaal en pEr iRaivan
  
  maanida inaththai aattivaippEn
  avar maaNduvittaal adhai paadi vaippEn
  naan nirandharamaanavan azhivathillai
  endha nilayilum enakku maranamillai
  
  
  

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